Hi! Why do you think that the show precluded Jon being revived by Melisandre?

Depends on if you want spoilers, but…

1. From leaked spoilers, Jon’s going to lead the ranging to Hardhome, fight some wights and walkers, and then get stabbed by his own men, who leave him for dead, where he is captured by the Night’s King. 

2. Melisandre doesn’t seem to be going on that ranging. She’s not in any of the Hardhome footage, and instead seems to be with Stannis on his campaign, wherever he is with the burning tents and whatnot.

3. That would seem to put Melisandre a couple hundred miles away from Jon when he dies from his stab wounds, as opposed to a few hundred feet away in ADWD. 

All the posts about Robb trying to take Harrenhal made me wonder about something: as far as I can recall Tywin only decided to take Harrenhal after he got word of the Battle of the Camps. If Robb had been thinking a few more steps ahead, could he have sent a small force (500 – 2,500) men on horse immediately after he freed Riverrun and kept Tywin from simply taking the largest castle in Westeros without a fight? Or would he have needed to move his entire army to hold off the Lannister forces?

No. Tywin decided to retreat to Harrenhal at the Crossroads, he was much closer to it than Robb. 

And the problem everyone has with Harrenhal is that a small garrison can’t hold it, because it’s so big it’s too easy for someone to get over the wall in an undefended area. 

Why wasn’t Edmure married with and/or trying for kids (besides needing to be single to be put out to stud for the Red Wedding)? Seems like it should have been an important move for House Tully to make sure they have heirs aplenty (though there were a bunch of spare Starks). And since he wasn’t, wouldn’t it have made sense for Bran (as heir in the hole) to have been foster at Riverrun?

jeff22003:

racefortheironthrone:

It’s an interesting question. I can think of a number of possibilities: first, it may be that the fallout from the Blackfish might have made things more difficult if Hoster’s ability to speak for his kin was called into question. Second, the damage to his reputation by Tom o’Seven’s song might have made it more difficult – no one wants to marry their daughter to a man who potentially can’t consummate the marriage and sire some children. Third, given Edmure’s love for wenching, it may well be that he didn’t want to get tied down too early, so he may have resisted or drawn things out. Fourth, given that the Freys seem to have been pursuing him quite fiercely – it may be that Hoster was holding off, lest he offend some of his vassals by picking one and not another. 

As for Bran, I don’t think Eddard would have allowed that. He seems to have been very anti-fostering, probably due to the all-but-total loss of his own family at such a young age. 

That would also explain why Sansa and Arya weren’t sent to Lady Dustin or Maege Mormont as a cup bearer or something. Even though either would have prospered in either place and the relationships between either house could have been better than they were. 

Certainly. And why Jon wasn’t fostered with the Reeds I do not know, other than Eddard simply couldn’t bring himself to do it. 

Why wasn’t Edmure married with and/or trying for kids (besides needing to be single to be put out to stud for the Red Wedding)? Seems like it should have been an important move for House Tully to make sure they have heirs aplenty (though there were a bunch of spare Starks). And since he wasn’t, wouldn’t it have made sense for Bran (as heir in the hole) to have been foster at Riverrun?

It’s an interesting question. I can think of a number of possibilities: first, it may be that the fallout from the Blackfish might have made things more difficult if Hoster’s ability to speak for his kin was called into question. Second, the damage to his reputation by Tom o’Seven’s song might have made it more difficult – no one wants to marry their daughter to a man who potentially can’t consummate the marriage and sire some children. Third, given Edmure’s love for wenching, it may well be that he didn’t want to get tied down too early, so he may have resisted or drawn things out. Fourth, given that the Freys seem to have been pursuing him quite fiercely – it may be that Hoster was holding off, lest he offend some of his vassals by picking one and not another. 

As for Bran, I don’t think Eddard would have allowed that. He seems to have been very anti-fostering, probably due to the all-but-total loss of his own family at such a young age. 

In one intriguing new wrinkle, Martin says he just came up with a big, revealing twist on a long-time character that he never previously considered. “This is going to drive your readers crazy,” he teases, “but I love it. I’m still weighing whether to go that direction or not. It’s a great twist. It’s easy to do things that are shocking or unexpected, but they have to grow out of characters. They have to grow out of situations. Otherwise, it’s just being shocking for being shocking. But this is something that seems very organic and natural, and I could see how it would happen. And with the various three, four characters involved… it all makes sense. But it’s nothing I’ve ever thought of before. And it’s nothing they can do in the show, because the show has already—on this particular character—made a couple decisions that will preclude it, where in my case I have not made those decisions.”

Entertainment Weekly (via joannalannister)

So….let’s parse who this could be. First, the criteria:

  1. This is a twist on one, long-term character. 
  2. This character either wasn’t on the show, got killed off early, or had their plotline changed dramatically, so it can’t be done in the show. 
  3. This twist involves 3-4 characters. 

 Let’s make some eliminations based on these criteria:

  • A+J=T – show hasn’t precluded it, doesn’t seem to involve enough characters. Don’t think so.
  • Dwarf’s Penny/Tysha – Tysha got dropped, doesn’t look like Penny has been cast, potentially involves 3 characters. This goes in the plausible file. 
  • A+J=C/J – show hasn’t precluded it, doesn’t seem to involve enough characters. Don’t think so. 
  • Lady Stoneheart and Jaime/Brienne –  show doesn’t seem to be using LSH (prove me wrong, show, prove me wrong), and Jaime’s off in Dorne this season and Brienne’s doing something else in the Vale. And it potentially involves 3-4 characters. This goes on the plausible file. 
  • Aegon is Real –  show doesn’t seem to be using Griff/Young Griff, would involve quite a few characters, but on the other hand does he qualify for “long term”? Putting this one on the maybe file.
  • Jeyne’s Hips Don’t Lie? – well, show killed Talisa and her baby, it would potentially involve quite a few characters, and Jeyne’s a long-term character even if she’s not a main character. Putting this one on the plausible pile.
  • Something with Sam – well, show doesn’t seem to be sending him to Oldtown, so there’s lots of scope there. Sam’s certainly around a lot of other characters (the Oldtown crew, Jon and the NW, etc.). The only thing here is I don’t see what the twist is. So putting this on the maybe pile.
  • Something with Sansa – well, her plot on the show seems to be departing from what we saw in the Alayne chapter, she’s definitely around a bunch of characters, etc. And I could see a number of different twists having to do with LF, Harry, Sweetrobin, her kin, etc. Putting this on the maybe pile, but definitely on the top.
  • Jon stays dead – Don’t think so. Both the books and the show seem to be going on a similar route in terms of him being stabbed by his own men. Also, doesn’t seem like the right kind of twist – you don’t need death to grow organically out of characters. 
  • Something with Jon – however, I could see some other things happening with Jon. The show’s seemingly precluded him being revived by Melisandre and/or having her convert to Jon = AA, and that would certainly involve a number of characters. Jon leaving the NW after revival might also work. Putting this one next to Sansa at the top of the maybe pile. 
  • Arianne gets greyscale – dunno if Arianne counts as a long-time character, since she was intro’d in AFFC. Also doesn’t seem like the right kind of twist. Don’t think so. 
  • Daario – well, having him actually be Euron or someone else or riding a dragon or something might work, given that the show doesn’t seem to be casting the Greyjoys, and it certainly would fit his character. Putting this one on the maybe pile, but not very high up.
  • Bolt-on – doesn’t seem precluded by the show, doesn’t seem like it would involve enough characters, doesn’t seem like the right kind of twist. Don’t think so.
  • Something with Jojen Reed – Jojen not being dead might fit, as the show killed him off, and it would involve multiple characters. Not sure what kind of a twist it would be. Somewhere in the middle of the maybe pile.
  • Something with Davos/Rickon/Osha – show’s not doing Skagos it seems like, it involves the right number of characters, although I don’t know what the twist would be. Putting this one on the maybe pile.
  • Theon King – given the hash they’ve made of the Asha plotline, I could see Asha pulling a Torgon the Latecomer. Involves a number of long-time characters, show seems to have precluded it, twist fits both of their character arcs. Putting this one next to Sansa at the top of the maybe pile.

Any more theories people want checked out? 

The flurry of Winds news over the last week or so got me thinking: when the book does come out, how do you plan to write about it. Obviously your CBC reviews for Winds are far in the future but I figure you’ll have plenty to say after your first read. Are you just going to post your notes in chunks like you did for the world book? Discuss each character separately? By region? I realize this is premature, but I was curious.

That’s a good question. I didn’t do a CBC for ADWD, but did incorporate it into my analyses. I’ve done a couple Quick Analyses for released chapters, so I might do one for books, similar to what I did for TWOW. Or I might do some podcasts. 

I dunno, what would people like? Let me know. 

Why did Tywin order the sack of King’s Landing? Sacking the Red Keep itself makes sense, but why massacre & loot the common populace? The commoners certainly didn’t love “King Scab” enough to rise in his defence, and they had never done any harm to nor slighted House Lannister. Hell, they probably liked Tywin thanks to his trade promotion, tourney hosting ,road building. crackdown on food adulteration. Plus the Westermen were fresh, so no question of their “blood being up”.

Historically speaking, it’s incredibly difficult to restrain an army from sacking a city that falls during a siege. For example, Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, as devout a Catholic as one could find in the Reformation and the most powerful man in Europe, couldn’t stop his largely Catholic army from sacking Rome – massacring the Swiss Guard almost to a man on the steps of St. Peter’s, looting almost every church and shrine in the whole of the city, and killing between 6-12,000 civilians. And that wasn’t a case where his men had their blood up – Charles V hadn’t paid his men in a while, so they just took their wages in plunder. 

As for Tywin, he didn’t care. I doubt he gave an order – his orders were to eliminate the royal family, which was the main political priority – because as far as he’s concerned, the smallfolk do not matter. His men sacking the city allows him to avoid paying some wages, so why not?