Podcasting the Venture Bros season 6 episode 3: Faking Miracles

elanabrooklyn:

Talking with @racefortheironthrone in 20 minutes! Another great episode of the Venture Bros to watch this week. 

If you can’t catch us live at 10pm eastern you can download the episode later, listen to it at the link above in about an hour later or download off iTunes in the AM.

This week’s episode features less Duran Duran the last week but more Kraftwerk. 

Podcasting the Venture Bros season 6 episode 3: Faking Miracles

Steven Xue Asks: How can the Wildlings still be speaking the Common Tongue?

One thing I’ve never understood is even though the people living Beyond the Wall have been sequestered from the rest of Westeros for the past eight thousands years, somehow the Common Tongue is still widely spoken by many of its inhabitants. Not only that but there’s also no discrepancy from their vernacular compared to the rest of the continent. In fact quite a few Wildlings we’ve encountered such as Ygritte, Mance and Tormund are able to speak the Common Tongue better than many smallfolk and Mountain Clans in the Vale who seem to speak a completely different dialect from their unsophisticated lingo and gibberish.

Now I get that for Jon’s story to work he has to be able to communicate with the Wildlings, hence we have this Aliens speak English trope going on in his arc. But realistically this shouldn’t be possible. I mean it only took a few centuries for Latin to evolve into completely new languages of many distinct variations such as French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese etc, and the people who spoke these languages were still more or less in contact with one another after Rome fell. Yet even after eight thousands years of being cut off from the rest of civilization without much interaction with the people south of their region, many Wildlings can still speak the Common Tongue unaltered and indistinct from their southern neighbors.

Do you think there is an explanation for this?

This is a case where narrative convenience seems to have trumped coherent worldbuilding, but I say seems because I’m not clear on why or how necessary it was. GRRM’s got no problem inventing multiple languages in Essos, although he does cheat a bit with how Valyrian dialects are mostly mutually coherent, after all. 

(However, if I was to give a No Prize, I’d say that because the wildlings steal women all the time from the North, they’re constantly importing women who teach the Common Tongue to their kids.)

So how hard would it have been to decide that, because the North held off the Andal invasion, the Old Tongue survived north of the Neck, although after thousands of years where Andal was an incredibly useful linga franca for trade and diplomacy with the rest of the continent, and three hundred years of Targaryen unification, they’ve gradually merged the Old Tongue and the Common Tongue into a creole like Scots, but where the nobility learn to speak proper Old Tongue (to keep up their traditions) and a more Received Pronunciation Common Tongue as well? That way, Jon could speak easily with the Wildlings because he can speak their language, whereas your average Night’s Watchman might not speak their language at all if they’re southron (hence adding to the Othering going on), or only haltingly in a limited pidgen if they’re a Northerner. 

Likewise, why isn’t the Common Tongue in Dorne absolutely peppered with Rhoynish loan words and grammatical constructions, as well as having a distinctive accent? Why don’t the residents of the big cities use a bit of Valyrian loan-words which are handy in commerce, which the rural folk find a bit too foreign for their liking? 

elanabrooklyn:

Listen to Venture Bros. Season 6 Episode 2 podcast

icymi: we covered last week’s episode of The Venture Bros digging in to all the amazing pop culture and historical references within that episode. 

I invented the phrase Arch For Arch’s Sake to describe The Monarch’s ethos. I got to explain the significance of the Duran Duran video Is There Something I Should Know – -which is a huge theme in the episode, introduce the history of the New Romantics music scene, tell you which Gary Numan and Roxy Music albums to listen to 

@racefortheironthrone and I developed a working theory on 80s movies jocks vs nerds dynamics as it pertains to the show. Dean Venture’s attempt to synthesize futurism and retrofuturism. 

We’re podcasting again tonight at 10pm about episode 3. You can listen live here at 10pm. You’ll be able to download it from iTunes in the morning and even sooner @graphicpolicy radio’s channel. 

Here’s the link for episode 2 again. It’s on itunes, soundcloud, stitcher and blog talk radio. 

Podcasting the Venture Bros season 6 episode 3: Faking Miracles

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Love the Venture Bros cartoon but afraid of missing the myriad of historical references and layers of meaning behind each episode? Join pop culture and history experts Elana Levin and Steven Attewell (whose secret identity is that he’s an actual historian) for our Podcast examining each episode of Season 6 of this hit Adult Swim show. Tonight’s episode is about Season 6 Episode 3: “Faking…

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After conquering Dorne, if Daeron named the then-current Martell Prince or some other Dornish lord (ex.Yronwood) Lord Paramount of Dorne rather than making Lyonel Tyrell ruler, do you think events could have turned out differently?

A combination of conquest and incorporation via marriage can work in Dorne, we can look at Nymeria for proof of that. So I could see a situation in which the Prince kneels, Daeron takes a Martell bride to cement his legitimacy, and Dorne is incorporated. 

However, I do think some things have complicated that scenario. First, the First Dornish War created a legacy of Dornish nationalist resistance against Targaryen brutality which will be hard to overcome. Second, Daeron’s whole purpose for waging war in Dorne is to use military conquest to restore royal authority by being able to dole out rewards to his followers – the king as “ring-giver.” So the more lightly he treads with the Dornish to avoid resistance, the less he succeeds at his ultimate political goal. 

Really, the only way I could see it working is if you have a significant migration of Westerosi into Dorne, with the second sons of the Reach and the Stormlands etc. marrying into the population as well as occupying the castles.