I’ve heard complains that Captain America never undergoes character development. He starts the films believing in some things, and at the end of them he still believes the same. This seems to be specially true when you compare him to, say, Iron Man, who changes a lot between the start and the end of the movies he appears in.

I don’t think staying true to yourself is the same thing as not undergoing character development. And I don’t necessarily agree with either characterization. 

In CA: First Avenger, Steve Rogers goes from a skinny kid on Brooklyn who wants more than anything to do his bit for a cause he believes in, to America’s bond drive mascot, to actually becoming a real leader rather just a figurehead, and then suddenly loses everyone he’s ever loved and becomes a Man Out of Time.

In CA: Winter Soldier, Steve Rogers starts the film as a company man, obeying orders because that’s what he’s used to, and ends up as a rebel bringing down the national security state. He also starts out the film as a Man Out of Time who doesn’t know how to adapt to civilian life or the present and ends the film as someone who’s made important friends – Nat and Sam – and has found a purpose in life (finding Bucky). 

In CA: Civil War, Steve Rogers starts the film as an Avenger contentedly leading his team, and then has to choose between keeping his team together and doing what’s right, and then choosing between Tony and Bucky. By the end of the film, he’s lost Peggy Carter, he’s essentially resigned as Captain America by leaving the shield with Tony, his friendship with Tony is permanently damaged, Bucky has lost a limb and becomes a Popsicle, and he’s a wanted fugitive. And he’s now in a nascent relationship with Sharon Carter. 

By contrast, I think Tony’s got some real issues with making permanent changes in his life – he built a bunch of weapons and then realized that was wrong, so he built some new ones and then realized that was wrong when his tech was turned against him, first by Obadiah Stane and then by Ivan Vanko. Then he built a bunch more and realized that was unhealthy and blew them all up in Iron Man 3. Then he went back on his promise and built a bunch more and built Ultron. He comes right out and says it in Civil War – he didn’t stop because he doesn’t want to stop. 

Have you seen Captain America: Civil War? When will you publish your thoughts? And where?

So just saw it last night. Will probably write a lengthier review sometime later, but here’s some initial thoughts:

After recently covering the original comic for Unspoiled podcast, I’m quite astonished at how well the Russo brothers and screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely took Mike Millar’s initial idea and did it so much better than he ever managed. 

To begin with: the inciting incident actually involves the Avengers, which makes what follow work so much better, because rather than being all about the abstract question, it becomes personal, about how the Avengers process their feelings about the civilian casualties that happened while they were saving the day in New York, Segovia, and Lagos. It’s also a much smaller scale incident – Scarlet Witch tries to save Cap and people on the ground from a suicide bomb by shunting the explosion into the sky, but loses control and hits a office building…that happens to include Wakandan citizens. 

And the Segovia Accords (which are very much seen as being pushed by national governments as opposed to Millar’s fixation on public opinion polls) don’t include anything as obviously head-smacking as the involuntary drafting of everyone with superpowers or revealing people’s secret identities (since in the MCU almost no one has one). Cap’s resistance to the accords is all about his fears that the Avengers will be used (or go unused) to further state interests, and while Iron Man sees this as preventing a worse crackdown, he’s not involved in the indefinite detention without trial part – that’s shunted off to Secretary of State Thunderbolt Ross (although why no one mentions why the Secretary of State is running a military prison, I don’t know) – although he does go over the edge by having Vision confine the Scarlet Witch to the Avengers compound, because he’s a control freak. 

And what makes all of this work is that both Steve and Tony’s actions are being colored by personal issues, but aren’t going nuts either – Steve suffers a huge loss when Peggy Carter dies (which is where the plant yourself like a tree by the river speech comes in – as something that Peggy used to say), Tony is wrestling with relationship problems, guilt over Sekovia, etc. Rather than start an underground movement – indeed, Steve is actually willing to sign the Accords once Bucky is brought in safely, until he founds out that Tony is confining the Scarlet Witch, but their confrontation is cut short by Zemo showing up to mind-control Bucky – Cap’s driving motivation and action is to try to protect Bucky, who’s being framed for a second bombing at the ratification of the Segovia Accords (which causes the death of T’challa’s father…more on that in a minute) from being shot on sight and then trying to protect the world from what he thinks is a whole group of Winter Soldiers under the control of Zemo. (I have to say, this was the one part where I feel the movie fell short of potential – I really wanted Zemo to be a bit closer to his character in the comics)  Whereas Tony only gets involved in the fight when a mind-controlled Bucky almost kills him in attempting to escape, which is quite reasonable.

Next, I have to say I was astonished at how well the big action sequence at the airport worked as both an action sequence and a way to show how to handle the expanding MCU. Age of Ultron visibly sagged under the weight of Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, Black Widow, Thor, Vision, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch all being on the same screen. Civil War swapped out Thor and the Hulk, but added in Bucky, War Machine, the Falcon, Black Panther, Ant-Man, and Spiderman, and made it work. Unlike in the comics where everything is about numbers, the fight scene was all about the interactions of powers and character. And while Age of Ultron had good comedy and power interactions, this had much better – it was way more visually inventive, it handled the comedy and the drama very deftly, and when the final twist happened, it really made you feel bad that the Avengers was tearing apart. 

And for a movie that really did center around Cap and Tony, there was still time to introduce Black Panther and Spiderman in an effective fashion – Black Panther’s origin story was told in a miracle of economy of storytelling (seriously, in two scenes, they establish he’s a prince of the formerly isolationist Wakanda out to avenge his father and trying to be a king and a warrior at the same time), and Spiderman’s discovery and recruitment by Tony was charming as hell. 

The conclusion really worked, both visually and in character. Iron Man finds out he’s been setup by Zemo and that Ross can’t be trusted, and comes to Siberia as a friend having realized he made a mistake, and comes to terms with Steve, only to find out that they’ve been lured by Zemo, who simply shows them a tape of Bucky as the Winter Soldier assassinating Tony’s parents. Tony loses it in a completely understandable fashion, and goes after Bucky, tearing his arm off. Cap and Tony go at it, and Cap wins, barely – but rather than trying to take off Tony’s head, he uses his shield to break Tony’s suit and then leaves with Bucky, and leaves the shield behind as the visual symbol of the loss of his friendship with Tony. It’s so much more mature and so much more affecting than the Millar version, because you genuinely can understand and sympathize with both men. At the same time, Black Panther arrests Zola, putting a capper on the theme of vengeance vs. justice. 

And then you get a great wrapup: Cap busts his Avengers out of their Ross-run indefinite detention center,  but sends a letter apologizing to Tony and a cellphone that Tony can call him if Tony needs their help, setting up Infinity War. It’s almost like they’re both acting like sane rational adults rather than crazy people. 

Have you read “Two Americas”, by Ed Brubaker (Captain America #602-605)? If so, which were your thoughts?

I love me some Ed Brubaker Cap. Hell, I love anything Brubaker writes.

To give some background here, “Two Americas” was heavily influenced by a storyline in Captain America #153-156 (note, also a 4-issue run), where writer Steve Englehart retconned the “commie-smasher” Captain America from the 1950s as an impostor named William Burnside who had rediscovered the Super-Soldier Serum and undergone plastic surgery to turn himself into a dead-ringer for Steve Rogers. Burnside, along with a replacement Bucky, turned out to be mentally unstable – his anti-communism turned into full-blown paranoia, where he was convinced that everyone in the country was a secret commie. Also didn’t help that both he and Bucky turned out to be massive racists. The story was an interesting meta-reflection on comics continuity and changing politics between the 1950s and the 1970s. 

So how did Brubaker riff off of Englehart? Well, basically he updates Burnside by dropping him into modern American politics and showing how much Burnside (an actual crazy person, remember) is simpatico with the current hard right in America. He’s recruiting from among Tea Party activists (yes, Marvel tried to say that “Tea Bag the Libs Before They Tea Bag You!” was a mistake, but A. it’s not like those sentiments weren’t around in 2010, and B. “No Government in my Medicare” is also on the signs and that sign was out there in 2010), into a Bundie-type militia movement aimed at overthrowing the government and bringing back “real America.” Burnside says quite clearly “there are a lot of other militia groups just like them living off the grid out there in the real America, just waiting for a leader to rally around…This country’s at war, and most of you don’t even know it…I’m talking about right here in America.”  And so Bucky Barnes and Sam Wilson have to stop him from blowing up Hoover Dam as his “shot heard round the world.”

The storyline was a tad controversial (I say only a tad, because really it only pissed off Tea Party folks who didn’t like getting called racists, even though racial attitudes are the best predictor of Tea Party support) at the time, but honestly it’s pretty damn accurate (if somewhat exaggerated for superhero comics purposes). If anything, I think Brubaker was a bit too generous in his argument that Burnside was driven by the decline of America’s industrial heartland since the 1950s, and by keeping the discussion of racism w/r/t Sam Wilson to a minimum. The original Burnside was both a paranoid anti-communist and a virulent racist, and we shouldn’t shy away from it. 

I’ve really enjoyed your analysis of the Marvel universe. You’ve forced ne to reconsider my opinion of Captain America, who I previously had little interest in. Could you recommend any particular storylines revolving around him? Thank you! (Fingers crossed that you’ll do something with Spider-Man someday!)

I could definitely recommend some particular storylines

The Sleeper Awakens (Tales of Suspense #72-74, Cap #101, #148) – Captain America fights a bunch of the Red Skull’s giant Kirby robots. They are awesome Kirby robots. 

The Cosmic Cube (Cap #115-119) – the Red Skull gains the powers of God, Cap fights him and wins, thanks to Cap’s determination and the power of love.

MODOK! (Tales of Suspense #94, Cap #119, 124, 132, 133) – Kirby’s giant Olmec baby head assassin is hilarious and surprisingly socially conscious, if still evil. 

Cap vs. Nixon (Cap #166-176) – Captain America is targeted by the Committee to Re-Elect the President, foils the Secret Empire’s attempt to overthrow the U.S government, unmasks Nixon as the head of the Secret Empire, Nixon commits suicide rather than be arrested. Cap resigns and goes in search of America.

Madbomb! (Cap #193-200) – Captain America and the Falcon team up to save America from a bomb that will turn all of America into mad rioters, a conspiracy to restore monarchy to America, an underground murderball league, Captain America travels through time, and Arnim Zola tries to transplant Hitler’s brain into Captain America. One of the best Kirby runs ever, therefore one of the best comics runs ever. 

If you don’t mind me asking, what are your hopes for Captain America: Civil War? While I loved what the Russo Brothers did with The Winter Soldier arc, I am a little worried that this Civil War will be a psychological thriller rather than a film based on politics (The comic version of Civil War, at it’s best, about the Patriot Act IMHO)

Oh man, don’t get me started on the Civil War comics. Total trainwreck, and a huge part of it is that the writers couldn’t decide whether the Registration Act was gun control, the Patriot Act, or the total abrogation of the 13th Amendment. (And remember, if Civil War was supposed to be about the Patriot Act, Millar thought that pro-Patriot Act was the right side…)

Here’s what I want from the Civil War movie: make the conflict make sense for both Tony Stark and Steve Rogers. Let them both have important points to make that are grounded in their characters, rather than turn Iron Man into a fascist because you need that to make the fight happen. 

Yes, it’s going to turn out that Baron Zemo and HYDRA are manipulating General Thunderbolt Ross. But let’s have that exacerbating tensions between positions that both men hold already. 

We’ve already seen the foundations of this – Iron Man 3 and Age of Ultron show that Tony Stark (partially due to his PTSD) can’t stop himself from trying to build the whole world an Iron Man suit (or build a giant fleet of drones to be everyone’s personal Iron Man) despite the awful consequences of that, and if someone hurt one of the people he cares about (even in self-defense) that would kick it into overdrive. (Also, Tony tends to over-correct when he fucks up – hence blowing up the Iron Man suits, hence building Ultron, hence embracing Sekovia Accords after Ultron goes rogue)

And we already know that Cap will react to that kind of security state the same way he did to Project Insight – fear vs. freedom, the individual’s right to due process etc.. He’s not going to stand for Ross and Stark building a black site prison in the middle of the ocean, or preventative detention for people supposedly too dangerous to put on trial. This is especially the case when it comes to Bucky, someone whose possibility of redemption he has already shown himself willing to risk his life for. 

What do you think about Marvel’s Captain America movies? To be honest, I’m not really into comic book films (or comic books, for that matter; I’ve only read Watchmen, the wonderful Eternauta and a few others), but your People’s History of the Marvel Universe posts on the Cap’n have really intrigued me. Would you recommend the movies? Or, if not, where could I begin with the Captain?

I absolutely adore the Marvel Captain America movies. They certainly have some shortcomings – there’s not enough about Cap having domestic politics as well as opinions on foreign policy and civil liberties – but they really capture the essence of Steve Rogers. 

Captain America: First Avenger isn’t a perfect film, but Joe Johnston gets Steve Rogers at a bone-deep level and understands how to make American pop culture of the 1930s and 1940s sing like no one else. (Seriously, everyone should watch the Rocketeer) The Cap origin story is rendered perfectly – skinny Steve standing up to bullies, Erskine and Steve’s discourse (”The serum amplifies everything that is inside, so…a strong man, who has known power all his life, they lose respect for that power. But a weak man, who values strength, and love, and compassion?… Whatever happens tomorrow, you must promise me one thing. That you must stay who you are. Not a perfect soldier, but a good man.”), the wonderful camp sequence of “Star-Studded Man With a Plan” wonderfully evokes both the good and bad of 40s Captain America and WWII patriotism. The rest of it is a fairly decent action movie and love story, even it it’s not spectacular. 

Captain America: Winter Soldier is one of the best Marvel movies, and the Russo brothers being at the helm of Civil War and the next Avengers movies gives me a lot of hope. And they absolutely nail Steve Rogers and Cap America – both the good and bad sides of him being a man out of time, the way that someone who really believes in America as an ideal not as its institutions is not a boring or conservative person but a genuine rebel, his secret super-power being weaponized ideology, using Operation Paperclip and HYDRA to reflect on the moral compromises that came out of WWII, all of it. A perfect adaptation of the 1970s Captain America comics. 

Why is Captain America such a dick every time he interacts with mutants? Not only the AvX stuff, but also when he meet X-23 blaming her for everything even though he didn’t blame Bucky for all the shit he did.

elanabrooklyn:

pornosophical:

waitingforthet:

I feel like a lot of the time Captain America is in X-Books, he’s there to fill a very particular authoritarian role and that role pretty much requires him to be a dick. It puts him out of character a lot of the time, which is unfortunate. Maybe he has some latent unreasonability superpower that is activated through proximity to mutants?

I mean let’s be real it’s about the most plausible excuse for someone as liberal and morally oriented as Steve Rogers fighting the mutant cause

Seriously! Thanks for making the point OP!

I always send folks to this by @racefortheironthrone  famous essay “Steve Rogers Isn’t Just Any Hero” 

Steve Rogers comes from the New York Left. While FDR’s New Deal may have be explicitly written to exclude Black people Steve Rogers has always stood against bigotry. 

Folks should def read Attewell’s follow up essays @graphicpolicy about Cap in his new series: A People’s History of the Marvel Universe. 

Here’s Cap fighting for equality and against authoritarianism. 

Here’s Cap fighting the %1 and wearing a dress (I wish someone wrote about Cap at Occupy Wall Street. He would have been awesome at keeping the police at bay.) 

I am summoned and I appear!

It’s canonical that Captain America doesn’t have any anti-mutant prejudice at all and never did: 

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So says Magneto’s prejudice-erasing helmet. And so powerful is Captain America’s belief in the inherent equality of all that he retains this belief, even when he’s been mystically transformed into a Hyborian warrior:

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To answer OP’s question: Cap is a dick when he interacts with mutants when the people writing him don’t know dick about Captain America.