Kind of a mammoth ask here, but what’s your opinion on the whole Scott Summers-Jean Grey “romance,” as well as how it relates to the Cyclops-Emma Frost and Wolverine-Jean Grey relationships(and the resulting love triangles)?

That is a big ask, but I’m game.

I’ve talked a bit about it here, here, and here

Scott and Jean are tricky, because so much of their early relationship was very grounded in a particular kind of 50s Romance Comic dynamic where Angst and Not Talking About Feelings reigned, and then they became the It Couple because Jean was the only female member of the 05. And then there was the Scott-Jean-Logan love triangle they tried for a while, and then we got the Phoenix Saga (which was all about Scott and Jean as Doomed Lovers), and then Jean was the Lost Love, and then she came back so they became Destined To Be Together, and there was the Evil Ex/Clone, the Time-Travelling Baby, and on and on…

What I’m getting at is that that’s a LOT of dramatic weight being thrown onto their relationship which is about their relationship, without giving them much time just to be a couple. Part of this has to do with the fact that Marvel writers seem to have a problem writing married couples – one of the reasons I’ve been enjoying Slott’s Renew Your Vows is that it’s a rare book which understands that marriage and kids are the springboard for story not the end of it – so they keep adding Relationship Drama as the plot of last resort. 

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Scott and Emma were, to be honest, one of the most interesting things that had been done with those characters in a long time, and their relationship had enough juice to run for ~20 years. Indeed, I think it could have gone on longer had Jean not been killed off AGAIN (another source of cheap drama in comics) and if they hadn’t gone down the same road with Scott and Emma that culminated with Scott dying and Emma going crazy/evil.

Jean and Logan has some interesting Romance Novel dynamics, and I would be interested in seeing someone take a “Renew Your Vows”-style (although interestingly Jean and Logan are together and have a kid in that AU) take at them having a relationship, although it’s limited by them being in a triangle where the authors see Scott and Jean as the OTP. 

However, I’ve said for a while on Twitter that the Scott-Jean-Logan triangle would be much more interesting (and funnier) if it was really about Jean coming into her sexuality (without having to be killed off) and wanting a poly relationship but being really bad at it. 

Does “Logan” count as an X-Men story where there’s been progress on mutant rights? No-one except the villain has any prejudice against mutants.

Logan is an X-Men story where the X-gene has been bred out of the population through tailored genetic diseases distributed through the food chain so that the military-industrial complex can monopolize and patent the X-gene to breed slave-soldiers. I wouldn’t call that progress. 

In that scenario, there’s not much prejudice against mutants, because the popular perception is that there are no more mutants – as is stated by the radio host that Logan is listening to early on in the film when he’s driving his limo. 

What’s your general sense about Wolverine? As a character, an X-Man and how he fits with the mutant metaphor, whether the origin they finally decided for him was good or not (or if he should have an origin)?

My general sense of Wolverine is that, like most people I fell in love with the character at this exact moment…

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…right before he solo’d the entire Hellfire Club from the sewers up to the upstairs rooms where the Inner Circle were holding the X-Men prisoner, and providing the crucial distraction that allowed Jean to free them and save the day.

As a character, before the rush of imitators in the Dark Era of Comics and Wolverine’s own massive over-exposure in the 90s, Wolverine was the original anti-hero. But rather than being driven solely by ANGST and MANLY RAGE, Logan had a lot more going on that made him a fully three-dimensional character: while a staunch individualist, he was also fiercely loyal to his friends; while hot-tempered even when his berserker rage wasn’t at issue, he was also a snarky jokester; and most important and most enduringly, he was a protector and a mentor to children. (Something at the core of both Death of Wolverine and one of my all-favorite series, Wolverine and the X-Men.)

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As an X-Man, he was absolutely crucial to the dynamic of Chris Claremont’s X-Men: he was the raging yang to Cyclops’ repressed ying, constantly questioning and pushing. Without him, there is none of the drama or conflict that distinguished the rowdy, more adult All-New X-Men from their milquetoast, demerit-fearing OG counterparts. And while it’s been somewhat blown out of proportions, he was the third leg in the Scott-Jean triangle that played a major part in the Dark Phoenix Saga, the alternative partner who was A. into Jean, B. anything but repressed sexually, and C. a little bit dangerous and spicy (and thus a “gateway drug” for a Jean Grey looking to explore those parts of herself given life by the Phoenix).

On a deeper level than the romance-comics-inspired love triangle, I think the key to Wolverine’s popularity was that he was a better fit for the 1970s than the late 50s/early 60s A-Type Cyclops: 

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In terms of the mutant metaphor, once you get to the early 90s and the truth of Weapon X gets fleshed out by Barry Windsor-Smith, Logan is the epitome of mutant oppression, having been almost completely dehumanized by a military-industrial complex that tried to turn him into a living weapon, erased his memories and implanted false ones, conducted medical experiments on him, and on and on until he rebelled. And this was a key part of what made him tick as an anti-hero – rather than simply indulging in violence purely hedonistically, for Logan, resistance means rising above the level of the animal, of the weapon. 

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In terms of origin stories, well, there’s been some better and some much, much worse. If I had to choose, I like Barry Windsor-Smith’s ambiguous version, where you get the sense that he definitely had a life before Weapon X, but where you can never be sure what’s real and what was a simulation that Weapon X implanted in his mind. 

Thoughts on Logan

Ok, finally got to see Logan. For the sake of my in-box, here are some thoughts:

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Overall Opinion:

Unlike some folks, I wouldn’t say it’s the best superhero movie ever made, although it’s certainly one of the best. It’s definitely the best Wolverine movie ever made by a long margin, and arguably the best X-Men movie ever made, far better than anything that Bryan Singer ever touched. 

At the same time, it’s not the model for all superhero movies to come: it’s a very idiosyncratic, small-scale action film that works primarily because the audience has a long-term relationship with Hugh Jackman as this role. It’s not the hard R violence that makes it work, it’s not even the avoidance of 90% of superheroisms that makes it work – it’s that this movie is particularly suited to this particular character, and what makes movies good is when movies are grounded in character.

About the Movie and Its Inspirations:

I’ve heard it described as a “post-apocalyptic western,” but that’s not quite accurate. Things have gone really bad for the people we care about, but modern society (i.e, the post-industrial capitalist U.S) is very much present and ticking along just fine, having rolled over and ground down mutantkind like everyone else who isn’t wanted by the powers-that-be, whether that’s the poor Mexican women and children exploited by the evil corporation with shadowy ties to the U.S government, or black farmers trying to make a living in the shadow of automated agro-business conglomerates and self-driving trucks, or immigrants trying to make it to some sort of safety in Canada one step ahead of ICE. More on those themes in a bit. 

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That’s not to say it’s not a Western (just that it’s not post-apocalyptic). while the action and the cinematography don’t really evoke Westerns, the landscapes – from the flat Mexican deserts to the rugged mountain forests of the Canadian border – definitely do. As does a rather beautiful sequence halfway through the movie where Logan, Laura, and Xavier stop to help a farming family corral some loose horses before staying the night. 

Moreover, the film’s thematics lean heavily on one Western in particular: early on in the movie, Laura and Professor X watch Shane on the TV, especially the final scene in which Shane (one of the most archetypal lone gunslingers ever) explains why he has to leave rather than settle down. This gets recapitulated at the end when Logan dies, as Laura repurposes his monologue as a eulogy, having few other words to explain what Logan’s life meant. It’s not hard to draw parallels here: like Shane, Logan is an initially reluctant combatant who eventually gets drawn into a conflict not of his own making, there’s also a strong theme of eras passing (just as the mutants are no more, Shane points out to the villain that the farm rather than the cattle ranch is the future of the West), and of course, much like Shane Logan is someone whose life has been indelibly marked by violence who finds a final meaning in ridding a community  of men of violence before removing himself so that there “are no guns in the valley.” 

I’ve also heard Logan described as inspired by Old Man Logan. That is not the case (thank god), and the movie is better for it: the only things the two have in common is that Logan is old, there’s no superheroes anymore (although the supervillains have NOT taken over) and there’s a road-trip. It is much, much closer to Death of Wolverine and X-23: the central plot is an Wolverine whose healing factor is failing him finding meaning by putting an end to one more attempt to recreate Weapon X (with the main difference being that he kills the son of the head scientist rather than the man himself) and the way that his relationship with Laura Kinney allows him to find some measure of fulfillment and create a legacy that will carry on after his death. 

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That Logan ends the movie buried under rocks with a cross turned to the side to indicate that he died in the faith of Xavier after all rather than mummified in an adamantium shell is not much of a difference: what matters is the Beautiful Death seemingly set down by destiny for Logan, that he will die in victorious battle protecting mutant children from the evil men who would exploit them. 

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Incidentally, for a film that otherwise eschews continuity like the devil, one of the unmistakable callbacks in the film (and arguably the core image around which the film was built) is to the mansion fight sequence in X2 – aka the main reason why Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine has such a grip on the memory of X-Men fans. Once again, it’s Wolverine against military baddies, although here we have a double chase sequence as Wolverine hunts Donald Pierce’s Reavers (yes, it’s that Donald Pierce, X-Men’s most fabulous anti-mutant bigot cyborg) as they hunt mutant children trying to make it to the Canadian border. 

Themes and Politics:

So as many people have pointed out, there are a lot of political resonances in Logan that probably weren’t intended as a statement on Trump’s America (since the film was written between 2013 and 2015) but it’s not like one couldn’t hear the rumblings and see the signs if one was paying attention. 

Logan takes a clear, thematic, but not didactic stance on issues of immigration: it starts from the very beginning of the film where we see Logan crossing a highly-militarized border as part of his daily commute or dealing with drunken teenagers standing up through his skylight shouting “USA! USA! USA!” as they pass by a border checkpoint, and it moves to center stage when Gabriella, a whistleblowing nurse who used to work for Transigen, tries to get him to help an undocumented child cross the border – not into the U.S, because the U.S is clearly no longer a place of opportunity or refuge, but into Canada. 

Through Gabriella’s story, we learn about the broader political situation, that begins to link in more and more issues. In an act of globalized regulatory arbitrage that’s straight out of my colleague’s book pictured above, Transigen located itself in the Mexican border region so that it could take advantage of laxer regulations, paramilitary support from the government (thanks in no small part to Transigen’s connections to the U.S military-industrial coalition because they’re really Weapon X), and it is darkly implied, a steady source of disposable bodies of women of color to use as incubators for genetically engineered mutant babies thanks to the ongoing crisis of murders and disappearances in Ciudad Juárez.

From Gabriella’s whistleblowing camera footage, we find that Transigen followed a policy of deliberately dehumanizing its creations – considering them nothing more than patents and copyrights – as both a way to justify human experimentation, abuse, and the creation of child soldiers. And this attitude flows through directly to Doctor Zander Rice’s reveal that they’ve been spreading genetic weapons through the mass market food chain in order to quietly sterilize mutantkind and make the X-gene once more a controllable part of the government’s arsenal, the way Weapon X always wanted it to be. 

Arguably, the political story of Logan is one of global intersectionality: the same corrupt, violent corporate/government forces working against poor women and children in Mexico are the same forces working against African-American farmers in the heartland are the same forces who’ve been working to dehumanize mutants from the beginning, and the only way to preserve hope for the next generation is for everyone to get together at Eden and fight back. 

Opinions on Logan trailer?

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Not a huge fan of the Old Man Logan original series (the new one is ok, but still overdoes the grimdark, and I liked OML better in All-New with Laura up until Civil War II got its sticky fingers on the story). 

Also, if I’m being honest, I’m not really feeling the X-Men movies either right now – Deadpool worked because it was completely outside, Apocalypse was an awful waste that in retrospect calls attention to some of the underlying weaknesses of Days of Future Past (which I still like, overall), and I’m increasingly of the opinion that the X-Men franchise’s potential was handcuffed the moment Matthew Vaughn got taken off the series.