If Tywin drops dead before the Purple Wedding, who gets the Rock?

If Tywin died suddenly before AGOT starts, who would inherit Casterly Rock? Jaimie is out, so would it go to Tyrion or Kevan?

ravenking1771 said:Hey there I saw the recent question about the Casterly Rock inheritance and I wanted to know how firmly did the medieval aristocracy adhere to inheritance I.e. Tyrion is Tywin eldest eligible make child and thus from a legal perspective his heir but Tywin does not consider him and if Tywin died before the events of the novel Tyrion would no doubt be challenged if not passed over by his family, so I wanted know how firmly did these governments respect inheritance rights?

Since I’ve gotten a couple questions about this, I figure I should probably consolidate them into one response rather than repeat myself. It depends on what Tywin set out in his will, and the balance of political power when it comes to both the claimants and whoever might enforce and/or recognize the validity of the will. 

Certainly, Tyrion would have a very strong claim under Westerosi law; he is the oldest eligible male child of the deceased, and he had done nothing that would make him ineligible (like joining the Night’s Watch or the Citadel or the Faith). 

However, whoever Tywin named in the will would also have a claim, and that claim would be buttressed by that person’s own lineage – if it’s Cersei, proximity would no doubt be stressed as well as the will; if it’s Kevan, then he’d be pointing to being the son of Tytos as well as Tywin’s brother as well as the wil. And so on. 

But the balance of power is important: if Tywin dies pre-AGOT, Cersei is going to lobby for her own line (whether for herself or one of her children), and Robert might give in or he might give it to Tyrion out of spite, or he might want to give it to Kevan b/c Kevan fits his mental model of a strong Warden of the West (in the same way that he didn’t want a sickly boy to hold the Wardenship of the East). At the same time, Jon Arryn’s wishes would play a large role in that situation; he’s more of a traditionalist, so he might want it to go to Tyrion because Andal law says so and wills that go against the law lead to civil war and disorder. 

If Tywin dies pre-Purple Wedding, it depends when exactly. If it’s after the Battle of Blackwater, Cersei is Regent and Tyrion has lost his handship, so he’s at a disadvantage. If it’s before the Battle of Blackwater, Tyrion has a significant advantage. 

However, a lot would depend on how the Lannister lords at the Rock or at Harrenhal or at King’s Landing decide to jump: do they take their cues from Kevan as the oldest male Lannister on the spot, and does that mean he gets to play kingmaker or does he go for the Rock himself? Is their misogyny stronger than their ableism or vice versa? Do they fear that Tyrion’s heirs would inherit both the Rock and Winterfell, or that Cersei’s children would inherit both the Rock and the throne and/or Storm’s End? 

Why is Barbrey Dustin the Lady of Barrowton when she was born a Ryswell and the title came with her husband? He must have had an heir, even if they didn’t have children? A cousin mabye, or someone with a claim? Just like before Jon Arryn had a child, there were some possible heirs. And if his marriage to Lysa would have been childless, Lysa would not be the Lady of the Vale, Harry the heir would have become Lord of the Vale, right?

To quote myself:

First, there probably aren’t any Dustins. She and Willam never had any children, and there’s no mention of brothers or cousins or nephews or the like. So I’m guessing there’s no close claim to Barrowton. 

Second, Lady Dustin’s kin are powerful. The Ryswells have a lot of horses, which means they have a lot of heavy cavalry compared to other houses. And the Rills are a pretty large territory. There are also a lot of Ryswells, relatively speaking, as Lord Ryswell has three sons and a number of nephews besides. Chances are, one of those Ryswell sons is Lady Dustin’s heir, so challenging Lady Dustin means you challenge Lord Ryswell too.

Third, never discount personality. Lady Dustin is hard as nails, she’s been ruling Barrowton for a long time, and she’s got the support of her own people and the vassal houses of Houses Dustin and Ryswell. So dislodging her is going to mean a fight.

My guess is, Lord Eddard preferred to keep the status quo. If Lady Dustin is a good ruler, and a Ryswell is going to inherit, why alienate two powerful families on behalf of some claimant who doesn’t have what it takes to take Barrowton from her?

Also, given the proximity of the Rills to the Barrowlands, and my own theory that Barrowton is a large livestock market and the Rills are a major center of horse-breeding, I think there are very long-standing relationship between the Ryswells and the Dustins indeed.

So it may well be that the Ryswells are the closest kin to the Dustins.