Is That You, Nick Spencer?

There’s no time machine involved dumbass.

Yeah, the term comes from the supervillain group called the Secret Empire, you stupid idiot.

The one problem with your scenario is the fact that that Kobik changed history and Steve was with HYDRA since he was a child. You also seem unaware that in the comics, Bucky only met Steve when Steve was already Cap, he never met pre serum Steve.

Wow, someone really didn’t like my idea for how to redeem Steve Rogers. If this was twitter, I’d be absolutely sure this was Nick Spencer, but I’ll have to remain in a state of wonder, you incredibly polite anon.

  1. I know there’s no time machine involved in the Red Skull’s plot. But there’s plenty of time machines in the Marvel Universe that could be used to bring back the real Steve Rogers – I just used Beast’s because of the link to All-New X-Men, and because the FF are busy rebuilding the multiverse.  
  2. I’ve written about the Secret Empire, I know who they are. But if you  don’t understand who Jack Kirby was referring to when he created an evil organization of people who all wear hoods and robes and want to overthrow the U.S government, and why Englehart making Richard Nixon their leader was a big deal, you need to do some reading up on the Klan. 
  3. Leaving aside the way that Nick Spencer has played fast-and-loose with whether it’s history or his memories that have been changed, so what? Cap’s still been pretending not to be a Nazi, so that’s the Cap Bucky knows and loves. Or hell, it can be a Bucky from an alternate universe – this is comics, there’s always a way to write around. 

What do you think it will take to repair Steve Roger’s character from the blemish of being a nazi? From what I can tell, Marvel thinks that because its Kobik’s and Red Skull’s fault, it doesn’t permanently affect Steve Roger’s image and realCap’s integrity will automatically be restored when hydraCap is gone.

I had a thought about this, because I think Marvel is wrong about that. You can’t spend two years with HydraCap being the status quo without that having a substantial effect on the character (my problem with that started with Issue #1 where HydraCap murders a superhero – if that doesn’t have consequences, your writing is bad, because murder should have consequences).

So I had an idea about how to end “Secret Empire” (which, btw, that title is beyond annoying given the way that Nick Spencer has been trying to have it both ways re: HYDRA as a Nazi organization. Hey Nick, we know where that term comes from!):

My idea is that one of Steve’s friends – Sam Wilson, Bucky, etc. – is really devastated about the way that the revelation of Steve being a HYDRA agent has destroyed his reputation and the public’s faith in what he represented, and they decide to go to the X-Mansion and talk to Beast about using his time machine…Thus, when the big showdown between HydraCap and the good guys happens, at some dramatic moment, HydraCap throws his shield at a hero…and thus guy catches it:

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That’s right, it’s 1940 Steve Rogers – drawn like Chris Evans pre-serum, given the mindset of who Steve Rogers would have been – and he proceeds to beat the living hell out of HydraCap, because that’s how Steve Rogers deals with fascists.

And then the new status quo is young Steve Rogers being a hero without the serum (at least to start with), and I dunno, hanging out with the Time-Displaced Young X-Men over in X-Men Blue. 

Would Captain America Approve of Punching Nazis? (YES.)

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Would Captain America Approve of Punching Nazis? (YES.) #comics #failhydra #captainamerica

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As would surprise absolutely no one who’s followed my People’s History of the Marvel Universe series, I’m a strong believer in the idea that our pop culture is both influenced by our political culture and can have a strong influence on that political culture. Thus, it’s a major problem when the author of both of Marvel’s current Captain America comics gets all pearls-clutchy about whether it’s ok…

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The long-delayed/waited blog post about Marvel’s current Captain America comics and the punching of Nazis. 

I Love Captain America: Civil War, But…

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This news fills me with a strange combination of retroactive regret, anger, wistfulness, and bewilderment, because as much as I love Captain America: Civil War, Jack Kirby’s MADBOMB is one of the greatest Captain America stories ever written and drawn and it kills me that we might have gotten to see the Russo Brothers attempt it on the big screen but it never happened.

I need a german compound word to express how I feel right now.

Okay, they’re lying right? When they say that Nazi Steve Rogers isn’t mind-controlled or a clone or whatever. Because if that’s actually Steve acting on his free will it’s a hundred times worse than One More Day. Who thought this up?

“Not a clone, not an imposter, not mind control, not someone else” does not include “no time travel shenanigans involving a cosmic cube/Kang/Doom’s time machine/Mephisto’s powers”, so I’m willing to bet that the same bright ideas that brought us “One More Day” are responsible for this new twist. Oh well, in a few months this will be re-retconned anyway.

Look, there are a couple of possibilities here:

  1. Nick Spencer is lying because the company line is following some JJ Abrams-style mystery box plan to gin up controversy and thus sales. This isn’t a good way to treat your customers. You get more money in the short run, but you’ll also lose some fans in the short run, and you run the risk of damaging a very valuable brand. 
  2. It’s time travel or cosmic cube or whatever. As I said, that’s still bad writing. It’s not the kind of twist that adds rather than detracts from the character, it doesn’t suit the character, and it’s going to lead to clumsier writing to fix it. 

Whichever one is the case, this run is going to be remembered as “the one where Cap’s a Nazi,” and that’s terrible. 

I’ve heard complains that Captain America never undergoes character development. He starts the films believing in some things, and at the end of them he still believes the same. This seems to be specially true when you compare him to, say, Iron Man, who changes a lot between the start and the end of the movies he appears in.

I don’t think staying true to yourself is the same thing as not undergoing character development. And I don’t necessarily agree with either characterization. 

In CA: First Avenger, Steve Rogers goes from a skinny kid on Brooklyn who wants more than anything to do his bit for a cause he believes in, to America’s bond drive mascot, to actually becoming a real leader rather just a figurehead, and then suddenly loses everyone he’s ever loved and becomes a Man Out of Time.

In CA: Winter Soldier, Steve Rogers starts the film as a company man, obeying orders because that’s what he’s used to, and ends up as a rebel bringing down the national security state. He also starts out the film as a Man Out of Time who doesn’t know how to adapt to civilian life or the present and ends the film as someone who’s made important friends – Nat and Sam – and has found a purpose in life (finding Bucky). 

In CA: Civil War, Steve Rogers starts the film as an Avenger contentedly leading his team, and then has to choose between keeping his team together and doing what’s right, and then choosing between Tony and Bucky. By the end of the film, he’s lost Peggy Carter, he’s essentially resigned as Captain America by leaving the shield with Tony, his friendship with Tony is permanently damaged, Bucky has lost a limb and becomes a Popsicle, and he’s a wanted fugitive. And he’s now in a nascent relationship with Sharon Carter. 

By contrast, I think Tony’s got some real issues with making permanent changes in his life – he built a bunch of weapons and then realized that was wrong, so he built some new ones and then realized that was wrong when his tech was turned against him, first by Obadiah Stane and then by Ivan Vanko. Then he built a bunch more and realized that was unhealthy and blew them all up in Iron Man 3. Then he went back on his promise and built a bunch more and built Ultron. He comes right out and says it in Civil War – he didn’t stop because he doesn’t want to stop. 

Have you seen Captain America: Civil War? When will you publish your thoughts? And where?

So just saw it last night. Will probably write a lengthier review sometime later, but here’s some initial thoughts:

After recently covering the original comic for Unspoiled podcast, I’m quite astonished at how well the Russo brothers and screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely took Mike Millar’s initial idea and did it so much better than he ever managed. 

To begin with: the inciting incident actually involves the Avengers, which makes what follow work so much better, because rather than being all about the abstract question, it becomes personal, about how the Avengers process their feelings about the civilian casualties that happened while they were saving the day in New York, Segovia, and Lagos. It’s also a much smaller scale incident – Scarlet Witch tries to save Cap and people on the ground from a suicide bomb by shunting the explosion into the sky, but loses control and hits a office building…that happens to include Wakandan citizens. 

And the Segovia Accords (which are very much seen as being pushed by national governments as opposed to Millar’s fixation on public opinion polls) don’t include anything as obviously head-smacking as the involuntary drafting of everyone with superpowers or revealing people’s secret identities (since in the MCU almost no one has one). Cap’s resistance to the accords is all about his fears that the Avengers will be used (or go unused) to further state interests, and while Iron Man sees this as preventing a worse crackdown, he’s not involved in the indefinite detention without trial part – that’s shunted off to Secretary of State Thunderbolt Ross (although why no one mentions why the Secretary of State is running a military prison, I don’t know) – although he does go over the edge by having Vision confine the Scarlet Witch to the Avengers compound, because he’s a control freak. 

And what makes all of this work is that both Steve and Tony’s actions are being colored by personal issues, but aren’t going nuts either – Steve suffers a huge loss when Peggy Carter dies (which is where the plant yourself like a tree by the river speech comes in – as something that Peggy used to say), Tony is wrestling with relationship problems, guilt over Sekovia, etc. Rather than start an underground movement – indeed, Steve is actually willing to sign the Accords once Bucky is brought in safely, until he founds out that Tony is confining the Scarlet Witch, but their confrontation is cut short by Zemo showing up to mind-control Bucky – Cap’s driving motivation and action is to try to protect Bucky, who’s being framed for a second bombing at the ratification of the Segovia Accords (which causes the death of T’challa’s father…more on that in a minute) from being shot on sight and then trying to protect the world from what he thinks is a whole group of Winter Soldiers under the control of Zemo. (I have to say, this was the one part where I feel the movie fell short of potential – I really wanted Zemo to be a bit closer to his character in the comics)  Whereas Tony only gets involved in the fight when a mind-controlled Bucky almost kills him in attempting to escape, which is quite reasonable.

Next, I have to say I was astonished at how well the big action sequence at the airport worked as both an action sequence and a way to show how to handle the expanding MCU. Age of Ultron visibly sagged under the weight of Captain America, Iron Man, Hulk, Black Widow, Thor, Vision, Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch all being on the same screen. Civil War swapped out Thor and the Hulk, but added in Bucky, War Machine, the Falcon, Black Panther, Ant-Man, and Spiderman, and made it work. Unlike in the comics where everything is about numbers, the fight scene was all about the interactions of powers and character. And while Age of Ultron had good comedy and power interactions, this had much better – it was way more visually inventive, it handled the comedy and the drama very deftly, and when the final twist happened, it really made you feel bad that the Avengers was tearing apart. 

And for a movie that really did center around Cap and Tony, there was still time to introduce Black Panther and Spiderman in an effective fashion – Black Panther’s origin story was told in a miracle of economy of storytelling (seriously, in two scenes, they establish he’s a prince of the formerly isolationist Wakanda out to avenge his father and trying to be a king and a warrior at the same time), and Spiderman’s discovery and recruitment by Tony was charming as hell. 

The conclusion really worked, both visually and in character. Iron Man finds out he’s been setup by Zemo and that Ross can’t be trusted, and comes to Siberia as a friend having realized he made a mistake, and comes to terms with Steve, only to find out that they’ve been lured by Zemo, who simply shows them a tape of Bucky as the Winter Soldier assassinating Tony’s parents. Tony loses it in a completely understandable fashion, and goes after Bucky, tearing his arm off. Cap and Tony go at it, and Cap wins, barely – but rather than trying to take off Tony’s head, he uses his shield to break Tony’s suit and then leaves with Bucky, and leaves the shield behind as the visual symbol of the loss of his friendship with Tony. It’s so much more mature and so much more affecting than the Millar version, because you genuinely can understand and sympathize with both men. At the same time, Black Panther arrests Zola, putting a capper on the theme of vengeance vs. justice. 

And then you get a great wrapup: Cap busts his Avengers out of their Ross-run indefinite detention center,  but sends a letter apologizing to Tony and a cellphone that Tony can call him if Tony needs their help, setting up Infinity War. It’s almost like they’re both acting like sane rational adults rather than crazy people. 

Have you read “Two Americas”, by Ed Brubaker (Captain America #602-605)? If so, which were your thoughts?

I love me some Ed Brubaker Cap. Hell, I love anything Brubaker writes.

To give some background here, “Two Americas” was heavily influenced by a storyline in Captain America #153-156 (note, also a 4-issue run), where writer Steve Englehart retconned the “commie-smasher” Captain America from the 1950s as an impostor named William Burnside who had rediscovered the Super-Soldier Serum and undergone plastic surgery to turn himself into a dead-ringer for Steve Rogers. Burnside, along with a replacement Bucky, turned out to be mentally unstable – his anti-communism turned into full-blown paranoia, where he was convinced that everyone in the country was a secret commie. Also didn’t help that both he and Bucky turned out to be massive racists. The story was an interesting meta-reflection on comics continuity and changing politics between the 1950s and the 1970s. 

So how did Brubaker riff off of Englehart? Well, basically he updates Burnside by dropping him into modern American politics and showing how much Burnside (an actual crazy person, remember) is simpatico with the current hard right in America. He’s recruiting from among Tea Party activists (yes, Marvel tried to say that “Tea Bag the Libs Before They Tea Bag You!” was a mistake, but A. it’s not like those sentiments weren’t around in 2010, and B. “No Government in my Medicare” is also on the signs and that sign was out there in 2010), into a Bundie-type militia movement aimed at overthrowing the government and bringing back “real America.” Burnside says quite clearly “there are a lot of other militia groups just like them living off the grid out there in the real America, just waiting for a leader to rally around…This country’s at war, and most of you don’t even know it…I’m talking about right here in America.”  And so Bucky Barnes and Sam Wilson have to stop him from blowing up Hoover Dam as his “shot heard round the world.”

The storyline was a tad controversial (I say only a tad, because really it only pissed off Tea Party folks who didn’t like getting called racists, even though racial attitudes are the best predictor of Tea Party support) at the time, but honestly it’s pretty damn accurate (if somewhat exaggerated for superhero comics purposes). If anything, I think Brubaker was a bit too generous in his argument that Burnside was driven by the decline of America’s industrial heartland since the 1950s, and by keeping the discussion of racism w/r/t Sam Wilson to a minimum. The original Burnside was both a paranoid anti-communist and a virulent racist, and we shouldn’t shy away from it.