I don’t know if you’ve been asked this before, but can you buy or sell land in Westeros? Lady Ellyn Reyne and her husband Lord Tarbeck buy up land surrounding them. The Westerlings lost land over the years. Just how would that transaction work and would it be acknowledged by others as legal?

I’ve discussed this before, so I’ll just quote myself:

The Westerlings selling their land is a highly unusual event in Westeros – the only other times we hear about selling land is in the context of the Tarbecks forcing people to sell their land through threat of armed force, so voluntary (to the extent that the necessities of poverty qualify as voluntary) land sales are a sign that the feudal order is in crisis.

It suggests that the Westerlings were falling into genteel poverty, such that their rental income had fallen massively behind their ability to service their debt, and that they were having to surrender the collateral they had put up to secure the loan.

Legally, this could be quite tricky. In Medieval England, for example, the feudal principle of “Nulle terre sans seigneur” (no land without a lord) meant that selling land outright, known as “alienation of lands by will,” was actually legally impossible in the late 12th century. (The Magna Carta, for example, says that “No free man shall henceforth give or sell so much of his land as that out of the residue he may not sufficiently do to the lord of the fee the service which pertains to that fee.”) Selling land was legalized by the Statute of Quia Emptores in 1290, although the buyer was “required to assume all tax and feudal obligations of the original tenant,” so the land remained under the same lord as before. It wasn’t until the Tenures Abolition Act of 1660 that those feudal obligations were eliminated.

The TL,DR is this: normally you cannot buy and sell land freely in Westeros. The Westerlings selling land and the Tarbecks buying land suggests the feudal order breaking down somewhat in the Westerlands.

If the Lannister-Baratheon dynasty and its major supporters survived the War of the Five Kings, how do you think Tywin’s “divide and rule” doctrine would have worked long term? How manageable would the Riverlands have been with the Freys in control of the Twins and Riverrun and the lord paramount based out of Harrenhal, or the North with the Lannister of Winterfell as lord paramount and the Dreadfort holding the title of Warden of the North, compared to the previous centralized models in each?

I don’t think it would have worked well:

  • The Riverlands are going to be incredibly unstable, since the Freys are hated, over-extended (with half of their forces sent North, and the rest trying to hold the Twins, Riverrun, Darry, Seagard), and likely to face a rebellion. On top of that, the de jure Lord Paramount (who’s also Lord Protector of the Vale) is looking to overthrow the Lannister-Baratheon dynasty. 
  • At the heart of the regime, the Tyrells want to become the power behind the throne as the Lannisters were for the Baratheons, which includes assassinating inconvenient monarchs to replace them with a compliant child monarch; the Martells want to violently overthrow the current regime and restore the Targaryens; and none of Tywin’s children want to cooperate in his plans, which means that there’s.
  • The North is in a state of chaos, the Boltons are planning to betray the Lannisters when they get a chance while the Lannisters were planning to do the same to them, Stannis is in the field and slowly working towards an alliance with the Stark loyalists and the wildlings, etc. 
  • The Ironborn aren’t in-pocket at all, and are destabilizing the whole system by attacking the Reach at the time when Tywin needs the Reach as his muscle. 

Analysis of “Sons of the Dragon”

Analysis of “Sons of the Dragon”

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Our long wait for more George R.R Martin content – it’s been a year and four months since we got “The Forsaken” – has ended, as we now have “Sons of the Dragon,” an unexpurgated version of the reigns of King Aenys and King Maegor.
Now that the withdrawal shakes have faded, what new information do we get about their reigns?
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Related to the Theon fostering discussion – do you think that having Theon as a Stark foster/hostage actually work to deter Balon? On the one hand, he waited years before his second attempt, but on the other hand, he clearly started planning the invasion before Robert’s death / the instability caused by the Stark/Lannister clusterfuck.

Balon is a weird case, because he’s really operating outside the norms of medieval politics. As I’ve said before, Balon has basically decided ahead of time that he’d rather sacrifice Theon than be restricted by his hostage status, which is not someone with only one male heir would normally do. 

Now, clearly Balon intended that Asha would be his replacement for Theon, although I don’t think it’s necessarily out of any enlightened philosophy on gender egalitarianism but more a kind of Viserys-like belief that he could defy the norms of his society combined with a belief that if he raised Asha to be everything a male heir should be (an experienced sea captain, a fearless warrior, a cunning pirate, etc.) that she would be accepted as one. As we see in AFFC, that didn’t quite pan out. 

But there’s an extent to which, after his older sons were killed at Seagard and Pyke, I think Balon subconsciously didn’t care about what happened after him. 

Did the faith of the Old Gods allow for multiple wives? It’s seems like Garland the Bridegroom had multiple wives before he married Lymond Hightower’s daughter. Would they have been “wive” wives? Or would there have been one main wife and several concubines, sort of like what the Ironborn have with their Rock Wife and Salt Wives.

We don’t have any evidence of how these marriages were thought of on the mainland – to be honest, we barely have any evidence of multiple wives to begin with – so I don’t know. If I had to guess, I would say that there would probably be a complex social hierarchy, with seniority and the influence of the wife’s family among the factors involved. 

Another interesting question is how this interacted with primogeniture, because the two practices don’t combine easily. My guess is that, unless the first marriage was childless, subsequent marriages were more likely to be with younger daughters and/or from more juniior families, as the wife’s family isn’t getting long-term influence with the next lord but rather only short-term influence with the current lord. 

Maester Steven, may I please ask if your Economic Development Plans would be subject to alteration were they applied to now defunct polities like the Kingdom of the Storm (in its “Sea to Shining Sea” phase) or the Ironborn domains during those years of darkness when the Islanders writ ran from the Arbor to Bear Islands?

Oh definitely they would change. As with Jaehaerys and his roads, economic and infrastructure development is usually driven by the interests of the center over the periphery. 

So to take your example, I would imagine the Durrandons would discourage a Blue Fork canal in favor of a canal linking the Godseye to the Trident, as that would facilitate traffic in a southerly direction closer to the “home territories.”

As for the Ironborn at their coastal peak, well, they were rather notoriously uninterested in infrastructure that didn’t have to do with longships. Indeed, I would imagine they would ban bridge-building as a potential check on their power. But in the Hoare era of rulership over the Riverlands, I could see them favoring a Blue Fork canal to give the Iron Islands direct access to the Narrow Sea. 

Politics of the Seven Kingdoms: Dorne (Part I)

Politics of the Seven Kingdoms: Dorne (Part I)

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Introduction: The Dorne chapter of World of Ice and Fire is one I feel profoundly ambivalent about. On the one hand, of all of the kingdoms chapters it provides the most vivid portrait of a people, which does go to some lengths to giving Dornish culture more depth and variety. On the other hand, it is the least historical of any of the chapters, providing only a few snapshots of the very recent…

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Greetings Maester Steven, In A Laboratory of Politics, Part V, you trace a parallel between the Volantene society and Byzantium, naming them both slave societies. Volantis is undoubtedly one, but what makes you call Byzantium a slave society rather than a society with slaves? Isn’t that parallel a bit exaggerated, given that slavery is far more widespread in Volantis than everywhere else in medieval Europe? As for the Byzantines, could you point me at some historiography regarding the matter?

Byzantine slavery was a direct outgrowth of Roman slavery, and Rome was undoubtedly a slave society, with anwhere between 4.6-19.3% of the population enslaved (see Kyle Harper, Slavery in the Late Roman World, 2011). Specifically on Byzantium, a huge, huge part of Byzantium’s Black Sea trade was in slaves, and Byzantium not merely acquired slaves by the tens and not hundreds of thousands at a time for use in a variety of industries at home, but also sold slaves widely across the Mediterranean, there were slave markets in many Byzantine towns and cities (the one in Constantinople was known as the “Valley of Lamentations”). So I think it counts.

For more on this, check out Youval Rotman’s Byzantine Slavery and the Mediterranean World (2009), and Hadjinicolaou-Marava’s’s Rercherches Sur La Vie Des Esclaves Dans Le Monde Byzantin (1950), which are both important monographs in their own right but should also provide some useful bibliography. 

The Headcanon Challenge: A Commentary on “The True Life of the High Spider,” Part 1

The Headcanon Challenge: A Commentary on “The True Life of the High Spider,” Part 1

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So a while back, JSLAL from Wars and Politics of ASOIAF got a really interesting question on Tumblr, asking him to come up with a character who could fill in some of the gaps in Westerosi history. I really liked his response, and so when I got the same question, I decided to see if I could do one better. (Much thanks goes out to @hiddenhistoryofwesteros and @cynicalclassicist for their assistance…

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Wait, Jon and Myles were romantic interests? I don’t remember anything romantic happening between them? What passage gives us that information?

It’s not any more spelled out than Loras and Renly were, but…

“He slipped inside the tent, leaving Griff to contemplate the gilded skull of his old friend. In life, Ser Myles Toyne had been ugly as sin. His famous forebear, the dark and dashing Terrence Toyne of whom the singers sang, had been so fair of face that even the king’s mistress could not resist him; but Myles had been possessed of jug ears, a crooked jaw, and the biggest nose that Jon Connington had ever seen. When he smiled at you, though, none of that mattered. Blackheart, his men had named him, for the sigil on his shield. Myles had loved the name and all it hinted at. “A captain-general should be feared, by friend and foe alike,” he had once confessed. “If men think me cruel, so much the better.” The truth was otherwise. Soldier to the bone, Toyne was fierce but always fair, a father to his men and always generous to the exile lord Jon Connington.“