Who do you think was the brother Bloodraven loved?

jeff22003:

racefortheironthrone:

jeff22003:

racefortheironthrone:

Well, the simple answer would be Daeron II, who protected him from childhood, gave him royal favor, and who he fought for at Redgrass at the peril of his own soul.

The more interesting answer would be Daemon, who he slew for the good of the realm. 

Has to be Daeron the Good. Daeron was an intellectual and there is no way Bloodraven wasn’t. Especially if he hung out with Shiera Seastar.

Also Bloodraven killed Daemon Blackfyre, Aegon Blackfyre, Aemon Blackfyre, Haegon Blackfyre Aenys Blackfyre and torpedoed the majority of the Blackfyre rebellions both individually and as a whole.

It seems more like the brother he hated was Daemon.

That’s more straightforward, but kind of misses the “human heart at was with itself.”

True but with what we know of Bloodraven’s character does he really strike you as the kind of guy who second guesses anything?

Internal conflict isn’t the same thing as second-guessing tho. 

I could very much see Bloodraven growing up somewhat idolizing Daemon – he was beautiful, charismatic, Bloodraven was also a good swordsman and archer so he’s not just a bookworm, they’re half-brothers, etc. – but choosing to support Daeron out of a sense of duty. 

Who do you think was the brother Bloodraven loved?

jeff22003:

racefortheironthrone:

Well, the simple answer would be Daeron II, who protected him from childhood, gave him royal favor, and who he fought for at Redgrass at the peril of his own soul.

The more interesting answer would be Daemon, who he slew for the good of the realm. 

Has to be Daeron the Good. Daeron was an intellectual and there is no way Bloodraven wasn’t. Especially if he hung out with Shiera Seastar.

Also Bloodraven killed Daemon Blackfyre, Aegon Blackfyre, Aemon Blackfyre, Haegon Blackfyre Aenys Blackfyre and torpedoed the majority of the Blackfyre rebellions both individually and as a whole.

It seems more like the brother he hated was Daemon.

That’s more straightforward, but kind of misses the “human heart at was with itself.”

Chapter-by-Chapter Analysis: Bran IV, ACOK

Chapter-by-Chapter Analysis: Bran IV, ACOK

“Open your eye…the crow gave you the third, but you will not open it.”

Synopsis: Bran discusses the greensight with Jojen and Meera, and then with Maester Luwin.

SPOILER WARNING: This chapter analysis, and all following, will contain spoilers for all Song of Ice and Fire novels and Game of Thrones episodes. Caveat lector.

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(from Anna) re: Vikings

Hey! This question won’t be ASOIAF-related and I hope you don’t mind, but you clearly know a lot about medieval history so I hope you’ll answer it anyway! It’s to do with something I saw on the show Vikings. This is not a historically accurate show whatsoever, just loosely based on some Norse sagas, but this particular thing was beyond my belief. So, according to the storyline, a Mercian princess fights against her uncle and brother for the kingdom. Her troops sail up a river to fight them, and there are soldiers on both sides of the river (and no bridge nearby). It is quite obviously their “strategy” that they expect her fleet to come ashore on both banks, which quite obviously they don’t, and diminish one army while the other can do nothing but look on. I mean… this has got to be the stupidest strategy ever. And I’m wondering if it’s even in the widest realm of possibility that something like this actually could have happened, or is it just super sloppy writing (which would otherwise be not typical for Vikings)?

I haven’t watched Vikings, but I have read a few recaps and it seems to me that the show often doesn’t have the best tactics on display when it comes to battle sequences. The Saxons not burning the boats in S1E4, the general jobber tactics of the Northumbrians in S1E7, etc.

I was rereading AGOT and was surprised by the idea that came up more than once that Robb could have stayed in Winterfell – and given control of his army to Theon Greyjoy. I don’t think this was brought up as a hypothetical in your CBC analysis, but could that really have been a credible option? A Greyjoy leading the North (with the likes of Roose Bolton)? And what effect would that have had on what happened subsequently?

It’s absolutely not a credible option. The North would not march behind an Ironborn hostage, let alone a teenager, let alone a prick like Theon. Catelyn was dead wrong about that – it took Robb’s very personal intervention to keep the Umbers, Glovers, Boltons, etc. in line.

The only, only way for Robb to stay in Winterfell is if he sends a scratch force a la Roddy the Ruin and then comes later, and that didn’t work out very well last time.

I can’t recall if this was specifically mentioned in the books, but when did the incestous relationship of Cersei and Jaime start? I wonder if it was before she met Rhaegar as we know she was infatuated with him. Do you think it could have started after Aerys rejected Tywin’s offer, out of bitterness? If it started before they met, would she have kept both relationships going if she married Rhaegar, or would she have ditched Jaime?

I’d consider joannalannister to be the real authority on this, but I’ll give it a try.

Some level of sexual exploration started really young. They got caught by Joanna, and she had them separated, and Joanna died when they were 7, three years before the Tourney where the Rhaegar thing was brought up. It certainly continued until they were 12 and Cersei was brought to court, after which there was a three year period in which Jaime and Cersei didn’t really see each other much. Then Jaime becomes a Kingsguard, Tywin takes her back to Casterly Rock, and they don’t really see each other for another three years.

Then Cersei comes back to King’s Landing as Robert’s bride and the two of them are together for fifteen years.

If (the Old Gods, R’hollor, the Seven, the Black Goat, the Drowned God, etc., willing) the Boltons are finally eliminated, how do you think the issue of the Bolton lands would be resolved? Would a living Stark brother or sister take over? Would parts be gifted to loyal lords like Manderly and Umber? Would Stannis’s men take some pieces? Would Mance’s wildlings and the new House Thenn repopulate it (if Alys doesn’t inherit Karhold)? Your thoughts would be appreciated!

That’s an interesting question. I’m not sure. It really depends on who’s in power after the second Battle for the Dawn and people have time to discuss landholding, how many Starks there are around, how powerful the Manderlys, Umbers, and Karstarks are (given that they’re the immediate neighbors), etc.

Noblemen in Westeros seem to never, ever marry nonnobles — that Vale marriage LF brokers is a huge exception, and seen as such. Even very minor lords marry each other. How different are they from medieval Europeans?

Depending on what period of Medieval Europe you’re talking about, that’s pretty standard – I guess you could point to the Medici marrying into the House of Valois with Catherine de Medici as a counter-example, but that’s complicated by the fact that a lot of Italian nobility were “in trade” (sure the Medici were bankers, but they were also Dukes of Urbino and  and Northern European nobility tended to overlook such things when it came to Italian real estate, especially when your uncle’s the Pope.