masha-russia:

racefortheironthrone:

dectcarve:

racefortheironthrone:

Well, the first is a bit difficult, given that Myrcella is in Dorne and betrothed to Trystane Martell. The second is even more difficult, since Edric isn’t a legitimized bastard, only an acknowledged bastard. And legally, Stannis comes before either of them.

Why does Stannis come before Myrcella? Are we treating the incest as an acknowledged fact? Because in that case he came before Tommen too.

Legal precedent, following from Jaehaerys’ proclamation of 92 AC, the Great Council of 101 AC, and the decrees of King Aegon II, states that all male claimants, including collateral relations, come before a female. This was modified following the Blackfyre Rebellions to state that a female inherits before a legitimized male bastard, but after all legitimate male claimants. 

I would like you to give the exact quote from the novels, for this statement?

Because there was never an Official Decree during the Great Council, it was only a consideration “in the eyes of many”. That unofficial precedent was broken, as you said, by Viserys himself.

I discussed this subject quite often with other people, and there is No Official decree stating that any legitimized Male comes before a “direct” Female.

Also, the fact that Stannis insisted on “all 3 children are bastards” and “the girl as well is born of incest” just enforce the fact that Myrcella comes before Stannis.

It wasn’t a “consideration.” It was “an iron precedent” in the eyes of many. And it’s a precedent treated as binding in the case of Viserys II: “The precedents of the Great Council of 101 and the Dance of the Dragons were therefore cited, and the claims of Baelor’s sisters were set aside. Instead the crown passed to his uncle, the King’s Hand, Prince Viserys.”

maidensmothersandcrones:

racefortheironthrone:

dectcarve:

racefortheironthrone:

Well, the first is a bit difficult, given that Myrcella is in Dorne and betrothed to Trystane Martell. The second is even more difficult, since Edric isn’t a legitimized bastard, only an acknowledged bastard. And legally, Stannis comes before either of them.

Why does Stannis come before Myrcella? Are we treating the incest as an acknowledged fact? Because in that case he came before Tommen too.

Legal precedent, following from Jaehaerys’ proclamation of 92 AC, the Great Council of 101 AC, and the decrees of King Aegon II, states that all male claimants, including collateral relations, come before a female. This was modified following the Blackfyre Rebellions to state that a female inherits before a legitimized male bastard, but after all legitimate male claimants. 

Do we know for sure that the Baratheons kings follow this law? Or whether they follow the same succession rules as they did when they were just lords?

Especially in a feudal society, it’s good practice to assume continuity in the law without evidence to the contrary. 

dectcarve:

racefortheironthrone:

Well, the first is a bit difficult, given that Myrcella is in Dorne and betrothed to Trystane Martell. The second is even more difficult, since Edric isn’t a legitimized bastard, only an acknowledged bastard. And legally, Stannis comes before either of them.

Why does Stannis come before Myrcella? Are we treating the incest as an acknowledged fact? Because in that case he came before Tommen too.

Legal precedent, following from Jaehaerys’ proclamation of 92 AC, the Great Council of 101 AC, and the decrees of King Aegon II, states that all male claimants, including collateral relations, come before a female. This was modified following the Blackfyre Rebellions to state that a female inherits before a legitimized male bastard, but after all legitimate male claimants. 

Well, no. Anyone can claim the throne by right of conquest – that’s what right of conquest means. Robert was acclaimed king by the lords of Houses Stark, Arryn, and Tully because he had royal blood – as a second cousin to House Targaryen, his candidacy offered some semblance of continuity of succession, which is something that feudal societies care deeply about. 

Well, the first is a bit difficult, given that Myrcella is in Dorne and betrothed to Trystane Martell. The second is even more difficult, since Edric isn’t a legitimized bastard, only an acknowledged bastard. And legally, Stannis comes before either of them.

That still doesn’t make sense. Robert takes the throne in 283 AC, but Joffrey isn’t born until 286 AC. So for those three years, Stannis and Renly are Robert’s heirs and by custom and tradition would respectively be Princes of Dragonstone and Summerhall. Even afterward, they remain in the line of succession. 

I think Martin discussed this in a SoSpakeMartin and basically said that Robert could have, but didn’t think about it, in the same way that he didn’t really think about giving away Dragonstone and Storm’s End, etc etc.