I think the promise was to raise Jon as if he were his own son, based on Bran’s vision.
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You wrote you think that Dunk goes to Winterfell around 212-213 AC and just wonder how you got that?
Mostly a guess, based on him being headed that way at the time of the Whitewalls Tourney in 212, and the fact that he’s definitely not in the North by 219.
Chapter-by-Chapter Analysis: Tyrion X, ACOK
Anon Asks: Anti-High Septons
If the High Sparrow joins Aegon, would Cersei respond by naming her own puppet High Septon?
I think her candidate would be Luceon who is a Frey (who are allied with the Lannisters) and serves Arbor gold and usckling pig to the Most Devout to win their votes. He is corrupt and connected to the most despised, treacherous house in Westeros, that makes him the perfect candidate by Lannister standards.
Cersei could try, but I don’t think anyone’s going to follow her anti-High Septon.
Could the Disputed Lands’s reputation as a blasted heath be simply miscommunication? The last meaningful campaign there was during the time of The Nine, and that took place in winter or on it’s tail-end. Alternately: It’s poor reputation is propaganda used to debase the land’s value for the less hawkish nobility/merchant class of the vying cities. And that leaves it’s worth being quite literally disputed.
GRRM’s been pretty consistent in his descriptions in ADWD and WOIAF.
I think it’s just a worldbuilding error. Which are pretty rare, to give GRRM credit.
How many men would you say the Lannisters can field, circa ADWD epilogue?
Well, the Lannisters started the war with 35,000 men under arms, and raised another 6,000 after the Battle of the Camps, which brought them pretty close to their maximum. I would say the Westerlands can raise ~45,000 men, 50,000 if you stripped the country bare of garrisons and the like.
Of Jaime’s 15,000 men, 2,000 are lost at the Whispering Wood, 8,000 are lost at the Battle of the Camps, and when Tywin calls up a new host at Oxcross with the 4,000 survivors of the Camps plus around 6,000 green men, the remnants of this original army are wiped out.
Of Tywin’s initial 20,000 men, an unknown number (but substantially more than 500) are lost at the Battle of Green Fork and the retreat to the crossroads. Perhaps a few hundred are lost during the reaving of the Riverlands, and the back-and-forth fighting at Stone Hedge, Darry, Maidenpool, etc. Of the remainder of the 20,000 who made it to Harrenhal, an unknown (but quite substantial) number of men are lost at the Battle of the Fords, another unknown number are lost at the Blackwater, another unknown (but “heavy”) number are lost at Duskendale, and an unknown but probably light number are lost at the Ruby Ford.
I would guess that, following the Red Wedding, the Lannisters had ~12,000 men under arms with Tywin, but definitely fewer than 15,000. Of those men, 800 go with Jaime to the Riverlands, another 2,000 are sent to assault Dragonstone (with 1,000 dying in the process), and the rest demobilize. In addition, Daven Lannister has around 1,2000 men that he scraped together from the survivors of Oxcross and various garrisons to besiege Riverrun.
So at the moment, the Lannisters have around 3,000 men currently under arms, and perhaps 9,000 men in the Westerlands who they might be able to call on. I say might, because after three years of hard fighting, most of the Westerlands houses would consider their feudal duties more than satisfied and would probably not answer the call unless there was some existential threat to the Westerlands themselves. Especially with the rulership of the West being both remote and somewhat in question.
For a race sorely lacking in siege technology, the Dothraki sure have a pretty impressive record of reducing strong, well defended cities to ashes-Sarnori cities, Qathi cities, Ibbenese cities & even Qohor would have gone the same way save for the Unsullied. So then, do you really believe what Jorah Mormont said about Dothraki being unable to storm any Westerosi castle?
It’s a fair point, but A. in most of those cases, they killed the defenders outside the gates of the city as opposed to having to fight their way in, and B. city walls are far less formidable defenses than castles.
So, no, the Dothraki at their current level of siege technology probably couldn’t take Westerosi castles.
Do you have any particular reason for thinking Randyll is a Blackfyre supporter?
It’s mostly a hunch, but these are my reasons:
- House Tarly is from the Reach, and the Reach was the heart of House Blackfyre’s support. And we know that the Golden Company has friends in the Reach.
- Not only is House Tarly from the Reach, but they’re marcher lords to boot, with their castle right across the mountains from House Blackmont. The Marcher Lords were the most anti-Dornish, and thus anti-Daeron and pro-Daemon faction in Westerosi politics.
- If Savage Sam Tarly and Randyll Tarly are anything to go by, they’d also be attracted to Daemon Blackfyre’s martial persona, and turned off by Daeron II’s bookishness.
- Given that I think Aegon VI is going to take the Iron Throne before he comes a cropper, there needs to be something that turns the odds against the Tyrells, and only Tarly defecting would seem to do the job.
Do you think House Jordayne could be a cadet branch of House Dayne of Starfall?
Well, the name similarity would normally suggest that, but in this case, we know differently. House Jordayne is named in honor of the late Robert Jordan, sci-fi and fantasy author – its castle, the Tor, is named after Jordan’s publisher, the current lord’s first name is Robert spelled backwards, its sigil is a pen, etc.
I don’t see why the Doylist explanation for its existence should rule out a possible Watsonian reason for its existence?
Ok, here’s the Watsonian reason why that’s not the case.
- House Dayne is a First Men House: “At the mouth of the Torrentine, House Dayne raised its castle on an island where that roaring, tumultuous river broadens to meet the sea. Legend says the first Dayne was led to the site when he followed the track of a falling star and there found a stone of magical powers. His descendants ruled over the western mountains for centuries thereafter as Kings of the Torrentine and Lords of Starfall.” (Dorne – Kingdoms of the First Men)
- House Jordayne is an Andal House: “Elsewhere in the realm, the Allyrions, the Jordaynes, and the Santagars carved out holdings for themselves.” (Dorne – The Andals Arrive)
- The Jordaynes were not vassals of the Daynes, but rather vassals of the Yronwoods: “For nine years Mors Martell and his allies (amongst them House Fowler of Skyreach, House Toland of Ghost Hill, House Dayne of Starfall, and House Uller of the Hellholt) struggled against Yronwood and his bannermen (the Jordaynes of the Tor, the Wyls of the Stone Way, together with the Blackmonts, the Qorgyles, and many more), in battles too numerous to mention.” (Ancient History: Ten Thousand Ships)
- The Tor of the Jordaynes is more than 600 miles distant from Starfall, in a completely different region of Dorne.
Steven Xue asks: Slave armies of Essos. Are they unrealistic?
I find it hard to imagine how places like Slaver’s Bay and Volantis have their armies made up mostly of slave soldiers. Not only do these places employ slaves as bodyguards or cannon fodder but have entire armies comprised of slave soldiers. They also have slaves making up the police force of their cities (such as the Tiger Cloaks).
Now I’m not much of a historian but I find this notion ridiculous because in the ancient world slaves were rarely used in battle, only the most desperate masters would arm their slaves and give them permission to kill. This was mostly due to the fear that giving slaves weapons may embolden them to turn on their masters. Besides the Unsullied who are conditioned to be 100% loyal, there is really no reason why the governments of Volantis or the city states of Slaver’s Bay would trust their slaves enough to allow them to make up their military or police force given the immense risk that would impose.
Also the Volanteen fleet that’s sailing to Meereen which has its rowers made up of slaves is another example of the author converging from real history. In the ancient world oarsman weren’t normally slaves and more often than not were made up of freemen or citizens. This was because rowing (especially on warships) required a considerable amount of skill and not just a strong back. The image of prisoners or slaves chained to the oars of warships and forced to row while being whipped is a work of Hollywood fiction.
I wouldn’t necessarily call them unrealistic, per se. Exaggerations, certainly, but there are historical examples of slave armies. The Mamluks were slave-soldiers who served in Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and India. Likewise, the Janissaries were slave-soldiers who served the Ottoman Sultans from Persia to the gates of Vienna.
The simple fact that it’s difficult to trust slave soldiers doesn’t mean people won’t necessarily use them. The Mamluks for example were ferociously effective in fighting off the Crusaders in Egypt and Syria – despite the fact that they seized control of the Egyptian Sultanate in the process. The Janissaries served the Ottomans well in battle, but they also overthrew Sultans whose policies they disliked or who didn’t pay them enough money.