Having recently read Poor Quentyn’s opinion on Euron Greyjoy’s plot going forward, what’s your opinion on where this particular storyline is going? Knowing your opinion of him as a drug-crazed psychopath; I wondered where on the fence you sit. Lovecraftian near-apocalypse with Crow’s Eye at it’s head on a magic horn-possessed dragon? A basic failed invasion of the Reach or something entirely different?

Much more the second. Euron, Balon, Dagon, Dalton, etc. There is a pattern. 

When talking about expenditures for late medieval/early modern states, isn’t the idea that the king should “live off his own” really important here? Basically, normal expenses (including pomp) were supposed to be covered by the income of the king’s own demesne, whereas taxes were for wars and other extraordinary expenditures.

True. Although in the early modern period this came under strain when a lot of the institutional choices that made that idea possible – smaller feudal armies that didn’t require regular wages, a Catholic Church that did a lot of the heavy lifting for you, and fewer demands on a much more decentralized and limited state – broke down. 

Armies got huge and professional, the Catholic Church now became something to plunder, fight for your life against, defend against the people doing the first two, or any combination of the above, and in order to do any of that you need a larger and more professional bureaucracy that could extract the taxes and provide the services that merchants and landowners demanded in return for their tax dollars. 

So I guess what I’m saying is that it’s something of a moving target. 

Hey Lauren, I was hoping to pick your brain on a topic I’m writing an essay on. The question is ‘early modern states wasted money on pomp’. For arguments sake, I’m focusing on the transitionary period between Edward IV, Richard III and Henry Tudor, as I’ve read a bit of literature from the time which pointed to the great expense of Royal Tours, holding court and hosting artists/scholars as being useful to the stability of the realm in times of political instability. Any thoughts?

joannalannister:

Oh gosh, this sounds like a fascinating topic, and one I would love to read about, but while I’m good with fake ASOIAF history, I’m afraid I’m not the person to ask when it comes to real-world medieval history. The most I could say is, “Yeah, that sounds about right.” But I’m sure my favorite historians on my dash could say more; @racefortheironthrone, @poorshadowspaintedqueens, @catherinedemedici, @bethwoodvilles, @sansaregina, @morgauseloveshersisters, and anyone else knowledgable on this topic, any thoughts?

Well, both positions are kind of true – the pomp and ceremony of the court was a vital component of overawing one’s subjects and instilling devotion to the monarchy, to say nothing of drawing in nobles looking to gain royal favor. At the same time, the fiscal pressures of such pomp at times created more political tension than they were worth – look at how many rebellions in English history started with a king running out of money and pissing everyone off by “innovating” ways to get money. 

OTHO, pomp wasn’t usually the major drain on the public purse – war was, due to the early modern military revolution that dramatically increased the already considerable cost of going to war. So if we look at Henry VIII who blew through several fortunes that Henry VII, Cardinal Wolsey, and Thomas Cromwell made for him, most of the money went into mostly pointless French, Scottish, or Irish wars rather than productive investments. 

Exactly why would the Yronwoods fight for the Blackfyres when they were anti-Dornish and pro- war? Did they think that Daemon would let Dorne go off as an independent nation under the Yronwoods?

Because not all of the Dornish agree on what Dorne is or ought to be. From the Yronwoods perspective, the Martells and  all the Rhoynish are colonialist bastards who took their land. 

So I think the Yronwoods fought for Daemon Blackfyre, because Daemon’s pro-war solution to the Dornish question was to crush the Martells, rewrite Daeron’s treaty, and make House Yronwood the new Lords Paramount of Dorne.

Master Steven, would it actually be possible for Haegon and Ser Aegor Rivers to make their way into the Reach from Yronwood territory without serious fighting? (as I understand the Geography the Bloodroyal only controls passes through the Red Mountains that lead into the Stormlands – being in the Northeast of the Principality – which would make it at least POSSIBLE they might prefer to detour via Sumemrhall, meeting assets from the Reach and the Marches there, rather than run the gauntlet).

I think it would be. The Boneway is the largest pass, but it’s not the only one. 

Have you ever read THE MASTERS OF ROME novels by Ms. Colleen McCullough? (I suspect that their mixture of political deviousness, richness of scholarship and juicy scandal would suit you quite beautifully – albeit the strong element of Caesarian partisanship can be more than a little wearing at times; Vivat Senatus Populus que Romanum!).

Yes. Excellent historical novels. Although the latter ones do shade very much into Julian propaganda. That being said, I’m far more on the side of the Populari than the Boni.