How would you rate Daeron I had he actually succeeded long-term in his conquest of Dorne? Also, what do you think he would have done (apart from raze Dorne to the ground) had his murder been thwarted considering he was only eighteen at the time?

To me, the big problem with Daeron I’s conquest is the fact that, after he defeated the conventional forces of Dorne and left in 159 AC, the country rose up in rebellion, leading to a bloody insurgency and counter-insurgency that killed many times more people than the war did. Even if he had avoided assassination, it would have kept going until Westeros finally revolted against the sheer cost of lives or he was finally pushed into a horrific Carthaginian solution, rendering the entire affair pointless. 

So in that way, Daeron I was kind of lucky that he died when he did – he got to go out as a Medieval James Dean, forever young and beautiful and on the cusp of another impossible victory. 

If Robb Stark had been declared King in the North before Eddard’s death, and been successful in securing his return to the North, what would the political hierarchy have been? Would Eddard still be Lord Paramount and Lord of Winterfell, and if so where would Robb have his base as King in the North? Also, on a personal level wouldn’t it be awkward as hell?

If Eddard Stark isn’t dead, Robb doesn’t get declared King in the North. 

To Rule All Dorne: A Political Analysis of Nymeria’s Conquest

goodqueenaly:

Hello everyone!

I’ve had this essay in mind for a while – three months, actually – but I’ve finally finished, and thanks to my lovely best friend @warsofasoiaf (who edited and gave me lots of great ideas to incorporate), I’m ready to present this essay to you all.

Nymeria is a fascinating character in Westerosi history to me, and I’m not kidding when I say I find her Conquest just as successful, if not more so, than that of the Targaryens. She managed not only to save her people from Valyrian destruction, but to lead them to a new homeland and to establish a Dornish-Rhoynar princedom in a land that had never been ruled by a single monarch (much less a prince or princess, much less with equal primogeniture). She was clearly a very clever and politically savvy woman, one who had the determination and ambition to rule and the force of personality necessary to have the Dornish accept her new way after her death.

The Queen Regent (NFriel)

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A must-read and invaluable resource for future works on Dorne. 

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Can the Riverlords/landers really have hated the Durrandons that much to be so thick when Harwyn invaded?! Longships CARRIED unmolested to the Blue Fork, HIDING in castles while their lands & people suffer, joining Hoare AFTER that & his brutality to Rivers & the Blackwoods (plus historical enmity), attacking Stormlanders of own accord, missing Harwyn ≠ Harmund(s) – that he would really allow them to be independent & “freed” them out of the goodness of his heart … THE IRONBORN!

Yeah, pretty much. 

And so they would remain for more than three centuries, though the riverlords rose against Storm’s End at least once each generation. A dozen pretenders from as many houses would adopt the style of River King or King of the Trident and vow to throw off the yoke of the stormlanders. Some even succeeded…for a fortnight, a moon’s turn, even a year. But their thrones were built on mud and sand, and in the end a fresh host would march from Storm’s End to topple them and hang the men who’d presumed to sit upon them. Thus ended the brief inglorious reigns of Lucifer Justman (Lucifer the Liar), Marq Mudd (the Mad Bard), Lord Robert Vance, Lord Petyr Mallister, Lady Jeyne Nutt, the bastard king Ser Addam Rivers, the peasant king Pate of Fairmarket, and Ser Lymond Fisher, Knight of Oldstones, along with a dozen more…

As the ironborn moved up and down the rivers, reaving and raiding as they pleased, a bold young knight named Samwell Rivers, a natural son of Tommen Tully, Lord of Riverrun, assembled a small host and met King Harwyn on the Tumblestone, but his lines shattered…Lord Tully abandoned Riverrun without a fight, fleeing with all his strength to join the host gathering at Raventree Hall under Lady Agnes Blackwood and her sons. But when Lady Agnes advanced upon the ironborn, her belligerent neighbor Lord Lothar Bracken fell upon her rear with all his strength and put her men to flight.

…Many of the riverlords had joined the ironmen by then. Under the command of the Lords Goodbrook, Paege, and Vypren, they slipped across the Blackwater and fell upon the slowmoving baggage train before it reached the river, putting King Arrec’s rear guard to flight and seizing his supplies. Thus it was a stumbling, starving host of stormlanders who finally faced Harwyn Hardhand at Fairmarket, where Lothar Bracken, Theo Charlton, and a score of other riverlords had joined him.

House Durrandon had failed to establish any kind of legitimate claim to the Riverlands and clearly lacked any support aside from their Blackwood kin and a few other houses. By contrast, the Brackens had every reason to want a change of government – the Brackens had been loyal to the Teague Kings and wanted vengeance against the Blackwoods who had betrayed the Teagues to the Storm Kings. 

And clearly the Brackens weren’t alone – it’s quite likely that they were joined by other former Teague loyalists (and Seven worshippers) to fight a dynasty they viewed as foreign invaders.

what about Braavos just using the valyrian model? i.e. we appoint a governor for you until you’re wealthy/organized enough to incorporate and run your own affairs

I think this misunderstands the purpose of Braavos’ colonies – given that the city itself is 100% urbanized and on top of a lagoon, the city needs its colonies in order to provide basic things like food, wood, etc. and it’s never not going to need them. So why would it ever want its colonies to be independent?

So I was just thinking about ASOIAF in the bath, and I was wondering what Jeyne Poole was doing between the time Ned’s household guards were killed and when she was sent North to be “Arya”? She was probably a prisoner, but I have no idea where she was, or what was happening to her. I don’t know if this is something you would know, but you seem to know a lot of things about the books, so I figured I’d ask you.

Putting this below the cut because it’s gross as hell.

Jeyne Poole was “given” to LIttlefinger in AGOT:

Queen Cersei looked at each of the councillors in turn. “I won’t have Sansa fretting needlessly. What shall we do with this little friend of hers, my lords?”

Lord Petyr leaned forward. “I’ll find a place for her.”

“Not in the city,” said the queen.

“Do you take me for a fool?”

The queen ignored that. “Ser Boros, escort this girl to Lord Petyr’s apartments and instruct his people to keep her there until he comes for her. Tell her that Littlefinger will be taking her to see her father, that ought to calm her down. I want her gone before Sansa returns to her chamber.”

When Jeyne arrives for her wedding to Ramsay in ADWD, we find out that:

“I was told that you’d know how to please a man. Was that a lie?”

“N-no, my lord. I was t-trained.”

…What was it the girl had said, before the godswood? They all said that I was pretty. She was not pretty now. He could see a spiderweb of faint thin lines across her back where someone had whipped her. “… she is beautiful, so … so beautiful.”

“I’m a good girl,” Jeyne whimpered. “They trained me.”

So Littlefinger took her to one of his brothels and had her tortured so that she would “willingly” train as a prostitute and take up Arya’s place later on. Which is one of many reasons that I can’t wait for Sansa to destroy him as the prophecy foretells. 

Is the Drowned God a GRRM version of Cthulhu?

poorquentyn:

racefortheironthrone:

I don’t see why you’d think that. 

“I don’t mock the Drowned God. I am the Drowned God.”

He saw his brother on the Iron Throne again, but Euron was no longer human. He seemed more squid than man, a monster fathered by a kraken of the deep, his face a mass of writhing tentacles.

I can just imagine the Kingsmoot now:

“Why not Zoidberg?”

“ZOIDBERG KING! ZOIDBERG KING!”

Where the show left off, the future battle of Dany v. Cersei is cleary leaning in the former’s favor. Do you think Dany is going to suffer some major setbacks next season? Cersei can’t exactly kill Drogon with wildfire, and I can’t see why the show would make her queen if only to kill her off as soon as Dany reaches King’s Landing.

Why not? That perfectly fits narrative irony – Cersei spends her entire life scheming and plotting and murdering and sacrificing her children for one thing and the moment she gets it, she loses it to “another, younger, and more beautiful.”