Your animosity toward the Bloodraven is Maekar’s Hand retcon seems odd to me. Their relationship as of 209 isn’t great, but there’s another 20+ years between the current D&E stories and Maekar’s death. Given the enormous amount of events we’re in the dark about in order to avoid spoiling future stories, its seems plausible to me that Bloodraven and Maekar could develop a grudging respect that turns into a working relationship. They’re both no-BS pragmatists on the same side of a protracted war.

“Isn’t great” is selling it short. Maekar exiled himself from court because Bloodraven got picked as Hand. Listen to any time that Egg opens his mouth about Bloodraven, and you hear his father’s hatred and the hatred of the people in his father’ party:

“His Grace should have made my father Hand. He’s his brother , and the finest battle commander in the realm since Uncle Baelor died. Lord Bloodraven’s not even a real lord, that’s just some stupid courtesy . He’s a sorcerer, and baseborn besides.”

“The old High Septon told my father that king’s laws are one thing, and the laws of the gods another,“ the boy said stubbornly. “Trueborn children are made in a marriage bed and blessed by the Father and the Mother, but bastards are born of lust and weakness, he said. King Aegon decreed that his bastards were not bastards, but he could not change their nature. The High Septon said all bastards are born to betrayal … Daemon Blackfyre, Bittersteel, even Bloodraven. Lord Rivers was more cunning than the other two, he said, but in the end he would prove himself a traitor, too. The High Septon counseled my father never to put any trust in him, nor in any other bastards, great or small.”

That’s not just Stannis being mad at Renly over Storm’s End. Maekar thinks that Bloodraven is a false lord, that he’s a sorcerer, and the people around Maekar are saying Bloodraven is a traitor to the crown. 

Their mutual antagonism is so clear that even lowly hedge knights know that “Aerys is weak, and when he dies, it will be bloody war between Lord Rivers and Prince Maekar for the crown, the Hand against the heir.“ And at the end of Mystery Knight, it looks like Bloodraven agrees, because he basically tries to take Egg as a hostage against Maekar: ”I have half a mind to take you back to King’s Landing with us…and keep you at court as my… guest.

Going from this point to Bloodraven as Maekar’s Hand is a complete 180 degree shift. I’m not saying that it’s impossible, but that everything we’ve seen in Dunk & Egg to date is moving in the opposite direction – which from a writerly perspective is GRRM making the task of bringing them together more difficult for himself. 

I asked about a vassal house changing paramouncies: Thanks for the response, completely missed the whole Tytos affair. So, from what I understand, such a transfer is justified only by an overlord failing in his feudal obligation to his vassal, thus making it “legal” and not by the vassal getting a better offer from a neighboring house? Is this then applicable on all overlord/vassal relationships in Westeros (say House Osgrey joining House Crane after TSS incedent *bad example)? – BryndenBloodEye

Yeah, it would have to be a significant situation, because a free market in vassalage would be really bad for the powers that be, so you’re going to have very strong social/cultural prohibitions against it. 

Do you think that the houses on the borders of Westeros’ internal kingdoms have any agency in switching loyalty to a neighboring paramouncy and what would the broad-ranging political fallout be if a particular House tried this (Say House Crane ==> Westerlands or House Wickenden ==> Riverlands)? Love the Blog BTW, keep up the excellent work – BryndenBloodEye

Glad you like it!

It has happened in moments of crisis – during Tytos’ reign in the Westerlands, “three landed knights and a petty lord whose lands lay near the border between the westerlands and the Reach swore fealty to House Tyrell, declaring that Highgarden offered them more protection than Casterly Rock.”

The fallout is that it makes their former liege lord look weak as all hell, and it may make them weak in reality as well as in appearance if it weakens their border position by giving the enemy a useful salient. Depending on the house in question, it could be quite damaging – House Crane would give the Westerlands an express highway into the heart of the Reach; House Wickenden could give the Riverlands a way around the Bloody Gate (although given its location, there would be a danger of a Vale army marching out of the gate to cut them off from the rear). 

What’s your opinion of Qin Shi Huangdi?

Odd question, but ok…

On the plus side:

  • Unified China.  
  • Extensive public works.
  • Impressive economic and administrative reforms.

On the negative side:

  • The suppression of the Hundred Schools of Thought through the burying alive of scholars and the burning of books en masse is one of the most terrible acts of cultural and intellectual destruction in world history. 
  • Killed a lot of people when you add up wars, penal labor, etc.  
  • Towards the end, went very very crazy. 
  • Completely failed to manage the succession due to never making a will because he wanted to live forever. 

Hi! You’ve said that you consider Dr Doom to be a better villain than Thanos. Can you elaborate on why that is? because I’ve gotten kinda tired of the willfully blind shrieking egomaniac, and his ANAD personality fells like a breath of fresh air.

There are two things I dislike about Thanos:

  1. Thanos’ nihilism is something I stopped finding interesting in high school, so I find his personality a bit juvenile and un-engaging. 
  2. Because of his obsession, there’s only a few stories where Thanos works – pretty much only space/cosmic stuff. And while I like Infinity Gauntlet and Infinity War better than most modern Marvel events, you run the risk of repetition. 

By contrast, I think Doom is far more flexible from a writerly perspective:

  • Since he’s into magic and technology, you can do stories where he walks into hell to try to rescue his mother’s soul from Mephisto (Triumph and Torment is one of my favorite mini-series, and features some great Mike Mignola art), or stories where he builds a time machine to steal Blackbeard’s treasure. And it means he can fight a broad range of heroes, from Ghost Rider to Iron Man. 
  • Because of his Byronic/Noble Demon personality, you can also do a range of tones and moods as well. Doom works great in comedy, because his hamminess, dignity, and ego make him a perfect target for Squirrel Girl or Spiderman or the like. But those same character traits make him work for high drama (see the aforementioned Triumph and Torment) and you can always use the ol’ Doombots to explain the difference. 
  • Finally, his egomania is actually quite useful from a storytelling perspective. How do you reset the world after the villain’s conquered it? Because Doctor Doom cares far more about proving his superiority than world domination for its own sake, he goes back to Latveria and tells the heroes to put up more of a challenge this time. How do you keep coming up with reasons for the hero and villain to fight? Because Doctor Doom loves vendettas so much, he doesn’t need a reason beyond showing them who’s best or revenging himself for a personal slight. 

A great example of this is X-Men #145-147, where Doctor Doom fights the X-Men in his castle in…upstate New York, because of course Doctor Doom has a castle in upstate New York filled with flunkies with Brooklyn accents. He beats the whole team, does the Bond villain deathtrap thing with them; he gets all swoony over Storm and invites her to dinner before turning her into a living statue; and he palls around with Arcade, because a clown like him needs a straight man like Doom. 

You just couldn’t do a comic like that with Thanos, because he doesn’t work at that scale or those tones. 

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What accounts for the Byzantines’ perpetual manpower disadvantage you mentioned? This was before the Islamic expansion, correct? So IIRC they should have had control of Greece, Anatolia, the Levant, and Egypt. Were they simply unable to raise men from all corners of the empire because of logistical shortcomings, or is there something else I’m missing?

It’s Byzantine day, apparently…

So for the long version, you should listen to Robin Pierson’s History of Byzantium podcast. 

Short version: 

  1. Over-reach. Trying to hold onto Greece, Anatolia, the Levant, and Egypt while also trying to grab North Africa, Spain, Italy, Sicily, etc. means the Byzantines stretched themselves thin. There’s a lot of scholars who think that Byzantium might never have fallen had Justinian not tried to reconquer the Roman Empire. 
  2. Lots of enemies on many borders. The Byzantines had the Persians to their east, and then a whole horde of different peoples (Avars, Bulgars, Slavs, etc.) who kept pouring into Europe on their western flank. And their enemies didn’t exactly wait their turn, so the Byzantines kept having to split their forces. And especially on their western borders, these were movements of entire peoples, which means very large armies indeed. 
  3. Disease and famine. Beginning in the reign of Justinian, the Byzantines got hit with the bubonic plague hard, and it would keep coming back periodically for about three hundred years. When you combine the impact of epidemic disease with lower agricultural productivity, you run the risk of negative population spirals where lower population leads to lower agricultural productivity and that leads to lower population, and so on. 

Dear Maester steven, in a post a few weeks ago you stated medieval calvary would defeat a Roman legion, and this is evidenced by Crassus’ defeat by the armored calvary of the Parthian empire. Taking this into account, why do you think the Romans never developed large scale calvary units or tactics?

duxbelisarius:

warsofasoiaf:

racefortheironthrone:

There’s a couple factors, a lot of which boil down to the intersections between culture and warfare, but technology is also involved.

First, we have to talk about technology. For most of their history, Rome did not have access to the stirrup. Without stirrups, mounted combat is extremely difficult – any time you swing or hit with your weapon, or are hit in turn, you risk falling off your horse. It’s not impossible to fight without stirrups, but it takes a hell of a lot more training because you have to learn to grip the horse with your legs in time with your attacks and defenses. 

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For most of their history, Romans simply preferred to spend their time training in some of the best infantry drills the world had ever seen – which after all, had allowed them to conquer almost all of what was the known world – and subcontracted out their cavalry to auxiliaries from places, like Numidia, that had invested their time in perfecting the difficult art of pre-stirrup mounted combat. Think of it like a military version of comparative advantage. 

And then when the Eastern Roman Empire managed to survive the devastating invasions of the 6th century, they did something amazing: they changed their entire way of warfare on the fly. They borrowed the tools of their enemies – the recurve bows favored by the Huns and the Persians and the stirrups of the Avars –  and used them to construct a highly-trained, well-equipped professional mounted soldier armed with both bow and lance (and sword and axe and mace) whose skill and flexibility could offset the Byzantine’s perpetual manpower disadvantage, and redesigned their tactics and strategy around them. 

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Next, we have to talk about culture. For most of the early Republic, soldiers were expected to provide their own arms, and horses were incredibly expensive. So expensive that there was an entire Roman social class right below the senators called the equites, whose status derived from the fact that they had enough money to equip themselves with horses. Thus, Roman cavalry was always going to be a minority affair, because most of their soldiers simply couldn’t afford horses. 

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Once Rome shifted to a professional military, the cost transferred to the state and Romans had a very large military indeed. (Consider the Battle of Phillipi, where as many as 400,000 soldiers took part) Mounting this number of men would have been incredibly expense, and before the advent of the stirrup wouldn’t have seemed worth the effort, when Roman foot soldiers were just as effective and far cheaper to equip and maintain. 

Now, this gradually changed for a couple reasons. First, as the empire expanded, Rome came in contact with more and more peoples who fought on horseback, first expanding their auxiliary forces and later on (as those people were gradually Romanized) their own cavalry forces. Second, as the empire expanded, foot soldiers couldn’t adequately defend extended borders against fast-moving mounted invaders. So the Roman army had to change. The relatively slow and quite expensive Roman legion was abandoned in favor of a new system that divided the military between the numerically larger limitanei (who guarded border fortifications and acted as a first line of defense against invasion) and the elite comitatenses (the mobile field armies stationed in the interior who could be scrambled to fight invasions that had gotten past the limitanei before the invaders could reach major cities). 

Given this division of labor, you increasingly got specialization whereby limitanei were most useful as infantry and

comitatenses were most useful as cavalry. So even before the advent of the stirrup, there was already movement in the direction of emphasizing cavalry, simply due to the need to protect longer and and longer borders. 

As a slightly related addition, this transformation, emphasizing speed and flexibility, depended on the training and discipline of the soldier, and the intelligence and observation skills of field officers and unit captains. Hannibal’s exploitation of rigid thinking led to engagements like Cannae. This need for intelligence and quick thinking was the claim to fame for maneuver generals like Belisarius or Khalid ibn al-Walid. Military science was key, and manuals of engagement from this era survive to the present day, showing us just how key recognition of ground, formation, and equipment were in this era.

-SLAL

@racefortheironthrone The point about cavalry prior to stirrups doesn’t seem to make sense when you consider that the Parthian and Sassanid Cataphracts, and those of the Alans and Sarmatians, were capable of fighting quite effectively without stirrups, making use of horned saddles much like Roman Auxiliary Cavalry appear to have done. Alexander the Great’s Companion Cavalry achieved great feats without having stirrups either, and the cavalry utilized by the Seleucid successor kingdom and the Persian Empire before them both, were also able to contribute greatly without stirrups as well, as Robert Gaebel points out in Cavalry Operations in the Ancient Greek World. The point about the Roman Cavalry of the Eastern Empire also ignores that stirrups don’t appear to have seen significant use in Europe until the 8th/9th centuries, and were not staples of mounted warfare in western europe until at least the 10th century. It also doesn’t explain then how Belisarius’ mid-seventh century cavalry could have operated so effectively as hybrid horse archer/lancer units whilst not possessing stirrups to aid them. 

Regarding the Limitanei and Comitatenses, the decision to create these units had a lot less to do with an alleged inability of the Legions to defend their borders against mounted foes (they’d done quite well against the Sarmatians, Alans and Parthians in the past), and more to do with the aim of Diocletians’ reforms, and that was to reduce the power of roman generals. The issue was that the large legions of the past could provide a substantial army to a would-be usurper, but at the same time would leave the borders unguarded in the event of a coup. So the solution was to reduce the size of units, making them less powerful but somewhat more handy to maneuver, and to designate forces, the limitanei, whose job it was to defend the border on a permanent basis. Even then, Limitanei units were clearly still respectable fighters or could be, as mention is made of their being called upon to campaign as Pseudocomitatenses. And even still, the Comitatenses were hardly that far into the ‘interior,’ as forward defense remained very much the go to response, based on A. H. M. Jones’ research into the Late Roman Empire and it’s army. 

Disciplined infantry like the Roman Legions, were and are more than capable of taking on and defeating a mounted foe. It took a risky feigned retreat by William’s cavalry to break up the formation of Godwinson’s Fyrds and Huscarls at Hastings, and Publius Ventidius Bassus made skillful use of his Legionnaires and missile troops, along with rough terrain, to defeat Parthian cavalry at Mount Gindarus.


I
 didn’t say you couldn’t fight effectively without stirrups, just that it takes a lot of training to do so, because you have to grip the horse with your legs and feet in time with swinging your sword or absorbing a blow with your shield, etc. 

Also, given that Belisarius’ life (505-565) overlapped with that of the Emperor Maurice (539-602), if we credit the Strategikon to Maurice, then Belisarius may well have had stirrups, as the Strategikon mentions their use as a standard part of Eastern Roman gear.   

I disagree regarding the Limitanei and Comitatenses. I know that Luttwak doubts the mobility argument, but other scholars take the alternate position, given the difficulty of preventing raiding parties from bypassing static border defenses. 

And yes, disciplined infantry can defeat mounted foes, I’m not suggesting that they can’t. However, it’s much more difficult to do so, and the odds of a defeat increase. Moreover, and this was my point above, when you go beyond the battlefield level, it’s very hard for infantry to perform the role of defending territory against mounted raiders, because cavalry can outpace infantry so easily. 

Dear Maester steven, in a post a few weeks ago you stated medieval calvary would defeat a Roman legion, and this is evidenced by Crassus’ defeat by the armored calvary of the Parthian empire. Taking this into account, why do you think the Romans never developed large scale calvary units or tactics?

There’s a couple factors, a lot of which boil down to the intersections between culture and warfare, but technology is also involved.

First, we have to talk about technology. For most of their history, Rome did not have access to the stirrup. Without stirrups, mounted combat is extremely difficult – any time you swing or hit with your weapon, or are hit in turn, you risk falling off your horse. It’s not impossible to fight without stirrups, but it takes a hell of a lot more training because you have to learn to grip the horse with your legs in time with your attacks and defenses. 

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For most of their history, Romans simply preferred to spend their time training in some of the best infantry drills the world had ever seen – which after all, had allowed them to conquer almost all of what was the known world – and subcontracted out their cavalry to auxiliaries from places, like Numidia, that had invested their time in perfecting the difficult art of pre-stirrup mounted combat. Think of it like a military version of comparative advantage. 

And then when the Eastern Roman Empire managed to survive the devastating invasions of the 6th century, they did something amazing: they changed their entire way of warfare on the fly. They borrowed the tools of their enemies – the recurve bows favored by the Huns and the Persians and the stirrups of the Avars –  and used them to construct a highly-trained, well-equipped professional mounted soldier armed with both bow and lance (and sword and axe and mace) whose skill and flexibility could offset the Byzantine’s perpetual manpower disadvantage, and redesigned their tactics and strategy around them. 

image

Next, we have to talk about culture. For most of the early Republic, soldiers were expected to provide their own arms, and horses were incredibly expensive. So expensive that there was an entire Roman social class right below the senators called the equites, whose status derived from the fact that they had enough money to equip themselves with horses. Thus, Roman cavalry was always going to be a minority affair, because most of their soldiers simply couldn’t afford horses. 

image

Once Rome shifted to a professional military, the cost transferred to the state and Romans had a very large military indeed. (Consider the Battle of Phillipi, where as many as 400,000 soldiers took part) Mounting this number of men would have been incredibly expense, and before the advent of the stirrup wouldn’t have seemed worth the effort, when Roman foot soldiers were just as effective and far cheaper to equip and maintain. 

Now, this gradually changed for a couple reasons. First, as the empire expanded, Rome came in contact with more and more peoples who fought on horseback, first expanding their auxiliary forces and later on (as those people were gradually Romanized) their own cavalry forces. Second, as the empire expanded, foot soldiers couldn’t adequately defend extended borders against fast-moving mounted invaders. So the Roman army had to change. The relatively slow and quite expensive Roman legion was abandoned in favor of a new system that divided the military between the numerically larger limitanei (who guarded border fortifications and acted as a first line of defense against invasion) and the elite comitatenses (the mobile field armies stationed in the interior who could be scrambled to fight invasions that had gotten past the limitanei before the invaders could reach major cities). 

Given this division of labor, you increasingly got specialization whereby limitanei were most useful as infantry and

comitatenses were most useful as cavalry. So even before the advent of the stirrup, there was already movement in the direction of emphasizing cavalry, simply due to the need to protect longer and and longer borders.