I’d keep him integrated in the same way he was integrated into the X-Men in Deadpool 2, which is to say, only marginally and mostly for comedic effect.
Author: stevenattewell
It seems like a lot of people, myself included, mix up medieval taxes with medieval rents as the source of the nobility’s wealth due to our modern conception of the private vs. public sphere whereas medieval forms of governance mix the two. Can you talk about how the intersection of the public vs. private spheres in medieval times differed from modern times? Was tax money nobles collected treated differently than the money they got from contractual rent?
Great question!
One of the reasons why libertarians have had a suspicious admiration for the Middle Ages is that feudalism turned what we think of today as the state/public sector (which is different from the public sphere b/c Habermas) into personal property rights.
In a feudal contract, the king gives taxation power, judicial authority, etc. over a geographically-defined area to an individual leasee, in return for that leasee providing a certain amount of military service. (Which in turn means that these leasees are also exercising significant amounts of military power, so there goes the monopoly on force.) And as I’ve discussed before, this grant changes over time from what we might call an outsourcing contract that can be reassigned to an inheritable estate, which makes it ever more propertyish than before. And when, over time, people are allowed to sub-lease parts of their grant to other people, it becomes more propertyish still.
This blurring of the public (taxation, military power, judicial authority) and the public goes all the way up the chain. For a long time, there wasn’t a clear distinction made between the king’s personal household and the state: we can see this from the fact that a lot of the offices of the privy council use the same names as offices on private estates, or from the fact that there wasn’t for a long time a clear separation between the personal income of the monarch and the revenue of the state (see for example the long bureaucratic struggle over whether the Office of the Wardrobe (which was supposed to pay for the king’s household but ended up paying for wars) or the Exchequer would be dominant in finance).
This begins to change in the Early Modern period, where you see the emergence of professional bureaucracies who can more efficiently collect taxes, keep accounts of moneys received and spent, so that ever-growing armies can be outfitted, supplied, and paid promptly enough to keep them from deserting. (This is all very much a work in progress.)
Not coincidentally, the growth of these large royal armies coincides with a period of struggle between monarchs and the nobility over the boundaries of the public and the private: whether the king’s courts could overrule local manorial courts, whether nobles could fight private wars, fortify manors without royal permission, keep more men under arms than their feudal service allowed, and whether royal tax collectors could directly extract revenue from their fiefdoms without the lords’ being able to intervene.
To answer your second question, there was a distinction between various income streams: in addition to feudal rents, the use of monoplies on mills and the like were called banalities (great name, imo), chevage or chiefage was a poll-tax paid by villeins, income generated for lords from fines in local courts was called the third penny, the sales tax on livestock was called the toll tax, and then there were a large number of what were called feudal incidences (fees paid when a peasant got married, inherited land, or died, etc.). And to go back to the paragraph above, one of the reasons why so much conflict arose over judicial reforms was because the king was often muscling into revenue streams that the lords considered their personal property right as opposed to public finance.
RFTIT Tumblr Weeklyish Roundup
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Hey, folks! The books have arrived for my signatures, and it’s an intimidating pile. In the mean-time, here are some Tumblrs for your enjoyment.
ASOIAF:
- Why Rome’s expansion didn’t lead to eastward migrations.
- Where Stannis got his naval experience from, pre-Fair Isle.
- Taxes in the Middle Ages vs. Roman Empire:
- What does the Master of Laws do?
- How did the Hightowers get…
Are you familiar with Nicolas Fouquet? You’ve credited the inspiration for Petyr Baelish to Cromwell in your essays, but Fouqet seems a greater match to me.
Certainly his conduct as superintendent of finances fits, but he came from a much less lowly background, didn’t have a problem marrying into the nobility, was very loyal to Mazarin, etc.
Sorry if you’ve been asked this before, but what do you think the population of Westeros is?
Here you go.
And who would the Avengers root for? And if there are differences who would MCU Avengers root for? And I find Jean Grey’s rooting amusing considering the actresses.
What if the Avengers came across ASOIAF? Who would like whom?
Hah! Sure, why not. Might as well finish out the set.
Iron Man – Tyrion, kind of over-determined.
War Machine – Bronn, because he too has to put up with Tyrion.
Spider-Man – Bran Stark, because the kid who develops powers and great responsibility because of an accident hits home.
Vision – Bloodraven, because mysticism and being part human part something else.
Scarlet Witch – Daenerys, because struggling to control firepower(s) hits home.
Black Widow – Arya, also over-determined.
Captain America – a Davos fan at the beginning of Winter Soldier, but more of a Beric Dondarrion fan by the end of Civil War.
Falcon – Thoros of Myr, because he too has to put up with Beric Dondarrion.
Bucky – Sandor, because all angry boys are secretly sad boys underneath.
Thor – Gendry, because he too appreciates hammers.
Hulk – Sandor, because all angry boys are secretly sad boys underneath.
Hawkeye – Anguy, because no one else appreciates longbows.
Vox Populi, Vox Deii: Elections in ASOIAF, Part II
Vox Populi, Vox Deii: Elections in ASOIAF, Part II

Introduction
For his second foray into electioneering in AFFC, George R.R Martin clearly decided to go with a simpler model that would (among other things) require less math than the repeated ballots of the Night’s Watch, one that harkens back to the elections and democratic processes of the (early) Middle Ages.
As I talked about in Part I, the Althing of Iceland dates back to the 10th century…
Was it normal for nobles to walk around dressed in their House’s colors and sigils all the time in real life the way it is in ASoIaF?
how common was the use of actual gold and silver coins? I get the impression that average people wouldn’t carry gold or silver on them for everyday purchases so what would they generally be used for?
Discussed here.
What was the effect of the Roman Empire being able to tax enough to support its army upon its populace? With medieval governments being smaller than the Roman one, did that mean a peasant in medieval Europe was taxed more lightly and was economically better off than his Roman counterparts? Or, was the Empire able to tax the wealthy more effectively, or have a more productive economy due to the sort-of globalization inside the Roman world? Or, did medieval taxes just support nobility lifestyles?
The main effect seems to have been a great deal of internal economic growth and peace, as we can see from the fact that Roman cities grew in size but didn’t build walls until the crisis of the third century.
In terms of your second question, I lean more towards the effective taxation of the wealthy angle (at least at the height of the Empire’s power), as medieval taxes tended to have higher rates and more regressive forms to make up for the fact that the medieval state often didn’t tax the wealthy effectively.
Calculating GDP per capita in premodern eras is extremely difficult, but it does seem as if there was decline or stagnation at best in living standards between 1 AD and 1000 AD, with a slow recovery during the High and Late Middle Ages, which picked up steam during the Renaissance and Early Modern eras, and then really took off following the Industrial Revolution.
