Concerning your book v show about the bwb, I agree with you that the show creators botched their storyline. However knowing that they were never going to use LSH was their away to not only show the morally ambigous brotherhood properly but also their turn to the darkside that she represented? I can’t honestly see the bwb losing their way if Beric is around. Thoughts?

The problem is that you need the grace before the fall from grace otherwise it doesn’t land.

And the bigger problem is when you flip-flop on the BwB is bad – for example, going from Lem murdering Meribald to Beric showing up and hanging him. It’s thematically muddled. 

The Brotherhood clearly harbors anti-Stark, anti-Lannister sentiment, all based on their role in the Riverlands sacking. What was their opinion towards the stags? Had Renly or Stannis won the war and brought peace the Riverlands, what would have happened to the BwoB?

They’re not as hostile to the Starks specifically – “we mean your brother Robb no ill, milady” – but that changes after the Karstarks go rampant.

As to the stags, I don’t believe the BwB ever took a position on Renly or Stannis because they never came to the Riverlands. 

Is Beric really the only guy in the whole brotherhood who can make trials and judgements? It seems like a waste of man power and time if every prisoner of somewhat “gentle birth” is escorted to him, even from the other side of the Riverlands. It wastes the escort’s time and there’s also Beric himself. Couldn’t the lightning lord do more fightinig and smallfolk-championing if he didn’t had to wait for prisoners and preside all trials?

Will address in the next Arya chapter when the Mad Huntsman shows up. 

dont you think youre romanticizing outlaw groups a bit? in the end, they never manage to achieve anything other than killing and robbing people.

I spend a good bit of time in Arya III talking about how the Kingswood Brotherhood is dark as hell, how the Brotherhood Without Banners is morally ambiguous, and the modern history of political kidnappings, so no, I don’t think I romanticize them.

That being said, ASOS sets out why people in the Riverlands support the Brotherhood Without Banners, because no one else is stopping monsters like Septon Utt and the rest of the Bloody Mummers. 

Chapter-by-Chapter Analysis: Arya III, ASOS

Chapter-by-Chapter Analysis: Arya III, ASOS

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“I could have stayed with Hot Pie. We could have taken the little boat and sailed it up to Riverrun. She had been better off as Squab. No one would take Squab captive, or Nan, or Weasel, or Arry the orphan boy. I was a wolf, she thought, but now I’m just some stupid little lady again.” Synopsis: Arya has two conversations with Harwin, one more honest than the other. SPOILER WARNING: This chapter…

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Greetings, Maester Attewell. I have been following your blog for some weeks and I have been thoroughly impressed by your excellent chapter-by-chapter analyses of both AGOT and ACOK. I have also read some of your essays in Tower of the Hand. My question is: When do you think House Osgrey of Leafy Lake become extinct? I was also wondering if the Osgreys of Standfast fought in the Dance of the Dragons and what side they took. My most sincere regards.

Glad you like my work!

As for House Osgrey of Leafy Lake, we know it died out sometime before 210 AC. Now, Eustace’s cousin (his uncle’s youngest daughter) was roughly Esutace’s age and his uncle was alive when Eustace was in his teens (kissing a girl for the first time), the House would have been extant around 175 AC. Assuming for the sake of argument that his uncle died of natural causes, that probably happened sometime around 180-190 AC. 

As for the Dance, we don’t have any records, but given their trajectory of picking the losng side in every other civil war, I would guess that they probably backed Aegon II and the Greens. 

As a fan of the lastest Spider-Man reboot, it really possible for Marvel to pull off a Sinister Six movie? Or for any superhero movie to attempt a gauntlet of supervillains storyline (ala Hush, Long Halloween)? Raimi’s Spider-Man 3 felt crowded with three supervillains (though Batman Returns handled two supervillains and one corporate jerk well enough)

Yes, with caveats. 

What makes movies feel “crowded” or “overstuffed” with villains is that filmmakers have felt the need to treat all of the villains equally when it comes to screentime (especially since they’re often introducing them in the same movie that they’re using them)  – if instead of that, you’re using already extant villains and make them part of the whole story instead of their own stories, it’ll go much smoother. To give an example, Spiderman: Homecoming featured… 

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the Vulture, the Tinkerer, two Shockers, the Prowler, and Scorpion. But it didn’t feel crowded or overstuffed because the film didn’t feel the need to make all of their villains equal in screentime, or give them all backstories and arcs. Rather, Vulture was the main villain and everyone else was part of his story as either a henchman or a customer. Very quick little bits explained that the first Shocker was a flaky hothead and the second was more cautious and loyal, that the Tinkerer was a quippy nerd, that the Scorpion was a psycho that no one liked, and that the Prowler was laid back and only tangentially in the game.

Moreover, in future movies, we’re not going to need a full backstory to explain why the second Shocker or the Scorpion want revenge against Peter Parker or who the guy making the bad guy’s tech is. The previous movie does the setup for us in the same way that Cap: Civil War did the setup for Parker so that Homecoming didn’t have to explain how he became Spiderman besides a quick joke about the spider being dead. 

So that’s how I’d do a Sinister SIx or an Acts of Vengeance – rather than giving everyone equal weight and doing backstories and arcs for each villain, you put the focus on the ensemble, and trust in the setup you’ve done in previous movies to do a lot of the work for you so that you can maintain pacing. 

Sorry if I missed an earlier post, but your recent response about Astapor intrigued me – how do you think the Mereen storyline is likely to end?

Barristan and the Ironborn defeat the Yunkish and the Volantenes, then probably fall to scrapping between them, then Dany shows up with her Dothraki to end the fight, meanwhile the Shavepate’s purge ends the Sons of the Harpy. 

Now everyone’s free to move on plus Dany has her navy to sail west. 

Couldn’t the whole currency change be done slowly? There is a 15 years span between the Rebellion and ASOIAF. The crown could change the coins that it was getting its hands on, let both “golden dragons” and “golden stags” be equivalent and valid at the same time. Eventually dragons would’ve disappeared.

Still tricky. 

  1. In order to issue enough new coins to circulate an entirely new currency, you need a lot of precious metal on hand. Even doing it over time
  2. Unless you at least match the gold content of previous coins, Gresham’s Law works against you.
  3. Economic dislocation is not popular and a new regime wants to avoid angering everyone in the kingdom with money.
  4. It’s a huge amount of work for a really marginal gain.